Comments on: The Most Dangerous Hour In Shipping http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868 Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Babs Beuse http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-26301 Babs Beuse Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:58:18 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-26301 Each watch has it's flaws. Yes, the 3rd is the most inexperienced one, but normally the master is aware of this and if he does not trust him, he will certainly not go sleeping until the 2nd takes over. The 2nd now is normally responsible for navigation. Means he will spend most time of his watch busily correcting charts while some A/B keeps lookout (hopefully...). When now that A/B calls him that he has seen some ship the 2nd mate's eye vision will not be adjusted to night vision since he comes from somewhere behind the curtain where he works with a more or less bright lamp. Then there is the fatigue fact. Especially in ships with many port calls the 2nd never gets enough sleep and so close to the end of his watch he is really really tired. Even more so if he is blessed with that kind of C/O who never relieve their juniors in time and come half hour or so later because they had to check ballast firt or do some other things - or simply stay in bed to demonstrate their superiorness. And then C/O takes over and very soon he starts giving his watchman extra duties (toilet cleaning, empty dustbin,...) or sends him away completely, because he "feels he is experienced enough to do without watchman and this guy is much more useful on deck during day work". Then he will move to the computer and start organizing his planned maintenance or fake the rest hours of the crew or write emails home while he glaces on the radar from while to while. Each watch has it’s flaws. Yes, the 3rd is the most inexperienced one, but normally the master is aware of this and if he does not trust him, he will certainly not go sleeping until the 2nd takes over. The 2nd now is normally responsible for navigation. Means he will spend most time of his watch busily correcting charts while some A/B keeps lookout (hopefully…). When now that A/B calls him that he has seen some ship the 2nd mate’s eye vision will not be adjusted to night vision since he comes from somewhere behind the curtain where he works with a more or less bright lamp. Then there is the fatigue fact. Especially in ships with many port calls the 2nd never gets enough sleep and so close to the end of his watch he is really really tired. Even more so if he is blessed with that kind of C/O who never relieve their juniors in time and come half hour or so later because they had to check ballast firt or do some other things – or simply stay in bed to demonstrate their superiorness. And then C/O takes over and very soon he starts giving his watchman extra duties (toilet cleaning, empty dustbin,…) or sends him away completely, because he “feels he is experienced enough to do without watchman and this guy is much more useful on deck during day work”. Then he will move to the computer and start organizing his planned maintenance or fake the rest hours of the crew or write emails home while he glaces on the radar from while to while.

]]> By: Scott Kreger http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-5550 Scott Kreger Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:39:08 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-5550 Many US Ships, at least the goverment ship's I have sailed on have two 3rd mates in addition to the CM & 2M. Many US Ships, at least the goverment ship’s I have sailed on have two 3rd mates in addition to the CM & 2M.

]]> By: Scott Kreger http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-13862 Scott Kreger Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:39:08 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-13862 Many US Ships, at least the goverment ship's I have sailed on have two 3rd mates in addition to the CM & 2M. Many US Ships, at least the goverment ship’s I have sailed on have two 3rd mates in addition to the CM & 2M.

]]> By: Fred Fry International: Maritime Monday 89 http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-5525 Fred Fry International: Maritime Monday 89 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:58:29 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-5525 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] the Global Warming econuts. (Found at EU Referendum)gCaptain also looks at watchstanding with "The Most Dangerous Hour In Shipping". After you read that, take a look at my post "DANICA WHITE Hijacking - 'Minimum Safe Manning' [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] the Global Warming econuts. (Found at EU Referendum)gCaptain also looks at watchstanding with “The Most Dangerous Hour In Shipping”. After you read that, take a look at my post “DANICA WHITE Hijacking – ‘Minimum Safe Manning’ [...]

]]> By: Patrick http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-5453 Patrick Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:05:59 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-5453 A significant number of ships have adopted an alternative watch schedule 2/m - 00-06, 08-10 c/m - 06-08, 12-1730 3/m - 10-12, 1730-24 This provide 10 to 12 hour rest periods for all involved A significant number of ships have adopted an alternative watch schedule

2/m – 00-06, 08-10
c/m – 06-08, 12-1730
3/m – 10-12, 1730-24

This provide 10 to 12 hour rest periods for all involved

]]> By: Patrick http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-13043 Patrick Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:05:59 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-13043 A significant number of ships have adopted an alternative watch schedule<br><br>2/m - 00-06, 08-10<br>c/m - 06-08, 12-1730<br>3/m - 10-12, 1730-24<br><br>This provide 10 to 12 hour rest periods for all involved A significant number of ships have adopted an alternative watch schedule

2/m – 00-06, 08-10
c/m – 06-08, 12-1730
3/m – 10-12, 1730-24

This provide 10 to 12 hour rest periods for all involved

]]> By: John http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-5402 John Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:25:11 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-5402 John you're absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time... hard to write an article on that though. I should have set this part of the post in bold "Not a problem *if* the Third has experience" John you’re absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time… hard to write an article on that though.

I should have set this part of the post in bold “Not a problem *if* the Third has experience”

]]> By: John http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-21686 John Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:25:00 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-21686 John you're absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time... hard to write an article on that though. I should have set this part of the post in bold "Not a problem *if* the Third has experience" John you’re absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time… hard to write an article on that though.

I should have set this part of the post in bold “Not a problem *if* the Third has experience”

]]> By: John http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-21687 John Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:25:00 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-21687 John you're absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time... hard to write an article on that though. I should have set this part of the post in bold "Not a problem *if* the Third has experience" John you’re absolutely right, changeover is often the most dangerous time… hard to write an article on that though.

I should have set this part of the post in bold “Not a problem *if* the Third has experience”

]]> By: John Denham http://gcaptain.com/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/?868#comment-5400 John Denham Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:02:08 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/the-most-dangerous-hour-in-shipping/#comment-5400 Regarding your article on BRM. See: Naval Institute Proceeding September 1994 pages 111-114.ORGANIZING AND MANAGING THE BRIDGE TEAM. The most important word is organizing. It doesn't just happen. In APL it cost over $1,00,000 in training to convince many experienced , senior captains the bridge watch personnel were not individuals but teams, licensed, unlicensed and pilots. Few ships unmoor with the same people on the bridge as during the transit to or from sea. The article was written after implemenation at APL. The US Navy has a system of assigning duties to persons on the bridge for combat but few recognize the risk in day today navigation. See:" Why Didn't I Slow down." Naval Institue Proceeding January 1966 Page 79-81 Regarding your article on BRM. See: Naval Institute Proceeding September 1994 pages 111-114.ORGANIZING AND MANAGING THE BRIDGE TEAM. The most important word is organizing. It doesn’t just happen. In APL it cost over $1,00,000 in training to convince many experienced , senior captains the bridge watch personnel were not individuals but teams, licensed, unlicensed and pilots. Few ships unmoor with the same people on the bridge as during the transit to or from sea. The article was written after implemenation at APL. The US Navy has a system of assigning duties to persons on the bridge for combat but few recognize the risk in day today navigation. See:” Why Didn’t I Slow down.” Naval Institue Proceeding January 1966 Page 79-81

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