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		<title>By: vignesh kumar</title>
		<link>http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/comment-page-1/#comment-11600</link>
		<dc:creator>vignesh kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this page is fine one to view the happenings of the events in merchant navy, it will be fine if the salary in average is mentioned . thank you</description>
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		<title>By: vignesh kumar</title>
		<link>http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/comment-page-1/#comment-13596</link>
		<dc:creator>vignesh kumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 10:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this page is fine one to view the happenings of the events in merchant navy, it will be fine if the salary in average is mentioned . thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this page is fine one to view the happenings of the events in merchant navy, it will be fine if the salary in average is mentioned . thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Show Notes MAIS Podcast #9 &#171; Messing About In Ships</title>
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		<dc:creator>Show Notes MAIS Podcast #9 &#171; Messing About In Ships</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 27 Reasons Why Seafaring and Shipping Profession is No More Attractive &#124; MarineBuzz.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>27 Reasons Why Seafaring and Shipping Profession is No More Attractive &#124; MarineBuzz.com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Fred Fry International: Maritime Monday 82</title>
		<link>http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/comment-page-1/#comment-2901</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Fry International: Maritime Monday 82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] has &quot;Long-Term Neglect of Mariners Continues to Haunt Maritime Employers&quot;gCaptain comments on &quot;Are Rising Salaries Enough To Retain Mariners?&quot;. Well, rising salaries are a good spot. Just a little too late for me. (Oddly enough, I was asked [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: NAME-L Archives -- October 2007 (#522)</title>
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		<dc:creator>NAME-L Archives -- October 2007 (#522)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] about pay issues for supertanker Captains. The discussion is almost the same as it is for us... http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/ billo  Back to: Top of message &#124; Previous page &#124; Main NAME-L page   [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] about pay issues for supertanker Captains. The discussion is almost the same as it is for us&#8230; <a href="http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/" rel="nofollow">http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/are-rising-salaries-enough-to-retain-mariners/</a> billo  Back to: Top of message | Previous page | Main NAME-L page   [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is unrelated to mishaps but is very much tied to the demand.  Needless to say demand is cyclical and in our industry the amplitude at both ends seems greater than the overall economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is unrelated to mishaps but is very much tied to the demand.  Needless to say demand is cyclical and in our industry the amplitude at both ends seems greater than the overall economy.</p>
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		<title>By: William Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, hit the wrong button.  To continue:

I&#039;m surprised, from your description, that a similar kind of thing doesn&#039;t happen with mariners -- that pay does not keep up until there is a series of mishaps, and then money falls from the skies, and then becomes stagnant again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, hit the wrong button.  To continue:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised, from your description, that a similar kind of thing doesn&#8217;t happen with mariners &#8212; that pay does not keep up until there is a series of mishaps, and then money falls from the skies, and then becomes stagnant again.</p>
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		<title>By: William Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  Yeah, I&#039;ve heard that one before.

In fact, Anatomic and Clinical Pathologists do pretty good.  Anatomic Pathologists are the people who make tissue diagnoses (e.g. look at biopsies and tell you if you have cancer or not) and Clinical Pathologists run medical laboratories, blood banks,  etc.  Forensic Pathologists are board certified in either Anatomic or combined Anatomic and Clinical Pathology and then do a 1-2 year fellowship following that in Forensic Pathology.  For that extra training, they get about a 50% cut in salary.

The problem, though, is a little bit consistent with what you say.  Unlike private practice pathologists, Medical Examiners must compete with other public health services for funding.   If the Medical Examiner office is in the Department of Health and Human Services, for instance (some are part of other units), then they have to compete with stuff like vaccinations for kids or home health care for funding.  Of course, people tend to direct money to these others first.  The Medical Examiner office just has to make do -- until there is a major scandal.

The classic pattern for ME offices is that funding slowly gets cut, or is not increased with inflation, and performance slowly degrades.  It can degrade gracefully for a long time, but eventually there is a big scandal because a case is not thoroughly investigated or some quality control issue is not taken care of, and everybody gets fired.  

Then they hire a new Chief and promise him or her the world -- often involving new facilities, more people, increased salary, etc. Everybody says they&#039;ve learned an important lesson and this will never happen again.  And they may even keep much of that promise.  But then, from that point on, funding is either flat or is slowly cut every year, and the service degrades.  Little by little, each case gets fewer resources, the facilities become obsolete,  and each pathologist gets overloaded with cases until there is a major scandal again, and the cycle repeats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  Yeah, I&#8217;ve heard that one before.</p>
<p>In fact, Anatomic and Clinical Pathologists do pretty good.  Anatomic Pathologists are the people who make tissue diagnoses (e.g. look at biopsies and tell you if you have cancer or not) and Clinical Pathologists run medical laboratories, blood banks,  etc.  Forensic Pathologists are board certified in either Anatomic or combined Anatomic and Clinical Pathology and then do a 1-2 year fellowship following that in Forensic Pathology.  For that extra training, they get about a 50% cut in salary.</p>
<p>The problem, though, is a little bit consistent with what you say.  Unlike private practice pathologists, Medical Examiners must compete with other public health services for funding.   If the Medical Examiner office is in the Department of Health and Human Services, for instance (some are part of other units), then they have to compete with stuff like vaccinations for kids or home health care for funding.  Of course, people tend to direct money to these others first.  The Medical Examiner office just has to make do &#8212; until there is a major scandal.</p>
<p>The classic pattern for ME offices is that funding slowly gets cut, or is not increased with inflation, and performance slowly degrades.  It can degrade gracefully for a long time, but eventually there is a big scandal because a case is not thoroughly investigated or some quality control issue is not taken care of, and everybody gets fired.  </p>
<p>Then they hire a new Chief and promise him or her the world &#8212; often involving new facilities, more people, increased salary, etc. Everybody says they&#8217;ve learned an important lesson and this will never happen again.  And they may even keep much of that promise.  But then, from that point on, funding is either flat or is slowly cut every year, and the service degrades.  Little by little, each case gets fewer resources, the facilities become obsolete,  and each pathologist gets overloaded with cases until there is a major scandal again, and the cycle repeats.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Money is unrelated to mishaps but is very much tied to the demand.  Needless to say demand is cyclical and in our industry the amplitude at both ends seems greater than the overall economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Money is unrelated to mishaps but is very much tied to the demand.  Needless to say demand is cyclical and in our industry the amplitude at both ends seems greater than the overall economy.</p>
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