600+ NM voyage requirements

[CurryAK]

198 grt tug on a trip over 600 nm. In my experience a third wheelman and third deckhand is added, any different where you work? Sometimes regulations hinder safety, I believe this to be one.

[rshrew]

198 grt tug on a trip over 600 nm. In my experience a third wheelman and third deckhand is added, any different where you work? Sometimes regulations hinder safety, I believe this to be one.

Def. the 3rd wheelman & 2 AB's

[c.captain]

198 grt tug on a trip over 600 nm. In my experience a third wheelman and third deckhand is added, any different where you work? Sometimes regulations hinder safety, I believe this to be one.

WHY, WHY, WHY does the addition of additional crew "hinder safety"? Two extra people to be saved in an emergency?

Please tell us...

[chile caliente]

Two extra PFDs would negatively affect stability.

[cappy208]

198 grt tug on a trip over 600 nm. In my experience a third wheelman and third deckhand is added, any different where you work? Sometimes regulations hinder safety, I believe this to be one.

Legally for any domestic voyage which will never be subject to 'manning certificates' as long as the tug is UNDER 200 GRT the whole crew can be a 'two watch system' thus 6 and 6. Note this is regardless of voyage length.

Some companies elect to put on an extra license some don't. The confusion over the over / under 600 miles, over / under 200 tons is the problem.

[rshrew]

Legally for any domestic voyage which will never be subject to 'manning certificates' as long as the tug is UNDER 200 GRT the whole crew can be a 'two watch system' thus 6 and 6. Note this is regardless of voyage length.

Some companies elect to put on an extra license some don't. The confusion over the over / under 600 miles, over / under 200 tons is the problem.

Curious is it not considered domestic say LA to Houston being you have to transit through the panama canal? I know it's domestic sea-Alaska thru Canada. Always wondered.

[tugsailor]

As I recall there is a special US / Canada agreement regarding each countries' tugs transiting each other's waters and calling in each other's ports. Basically, US and Canadian tugs get equal treatment in both countries. Of course, both the Jones Act and the Canadian cabotage laws still apply.

[cappy208]

As I recall there is a special US / Canada agreement regarding each countries' tugs transiting each other's waters and calling in each other's ports. Basically, US and Canadian tugs get equal treatment in both countries. Of course, both the Jones Act and the Canadian cabotage laws still apply.

Actually it is Canada, Mexico, and several of the Caribbean island countries that have this reciprocity. I believe it is officially named 'Near Foreign. As noted, a Panama canal trip would involve many countries that are NOT part of the near foreign designation. But as was brought up in a previous discussion, if you don't get caught, who would know?

[rshrew]

Actually it is Canada, Mexico, and several of the Caribbean island countries that have this reciprocity. I believe it is officially named 'Near Foreign. As noted, a Panama canal trip would involve many countries that are NOT part of the near foreign designation. But as was brought up in a previous discussion, if you don't get caught, who would know?

Gotcha thanks for refreshing my memory!

[Lookout]

At Crowley the >600 mile crew is only six. Captain, Ch. mate, & 2nd mate in the wheelhouse. To cover the deck and engine room, 1 Engineer and 2 deckhands for the engine and deck work.

[kosull.88]

I'm working as a Third Mate/AB on a 298 GRT tug, non-solas, in the GOM. On voyages over 600 miles (sea buoy-sea buoy) I stand the 4-8 watch. We sail with a 7 man crew all the time (capt, mate, chief, barge capt, 2 tankerman, and a licensed AB)