6000 large osv - 3rd mate

**Miek** · August 4th, 2012, 11:24 AM

I was wondering if anyone has any experiencewith the coast guard issuing a large osv 6000 and removing any tonnagerestriction on a 3rd mate? My company has the program and all the boats come inunder 10,000. I spoke with a coworker the other day and they removed histonnage restriction I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this. I amabout to turn in my packet and was wondering what to expect.
Thanks

**Capt Leigh** · August 4th, 2012, 02:28 PM

CFR46 11.402

c) Tonnage limitations imposed under paragraph (b) of this section may be raised or removed in the following manner:

(1) When the applicant has six months of service on vessels of over 1600 gross tons in the highest grade endorsed, all tonnage limitations are removed.

Read that as 180 days on a vessel over 1600 tons

**Miek** · August 4th, 2012, 11:59 PM

Thanks for the reply. My question was more how the cg was looking at cfr 11.402 (b)

I have ship mates turning in paperwork with tonnage restriction imposed and receiving 6000 and their 3rd without a restriction. The training vessels don't come close to the 10,000. I was wondering if anyone else was getting this pass.

**Capt Leigh** · August 5th, 2012, 06:32 AM

I still find your question vague....

If it is a first issue 11.402 ( b )would apply...
If it is an additional endorsement, or upgrade 11.402 (c ) would apply if you have the additional days over 1600 tons.

11.402 (c)
(1) When the applicant has six months of service on vessels of over 1600 gross tons in the highest grade endorsed, all tonnage limitations are removed.

In my experience this is the way it should work for you, no more incremental moves.
YMMV

**JW-Oceans** · August 5th, 2012, 07:28 AM

By training vessel do you mean the vessel less than 3,000 GT ITC being used to get the 6,000 GT ITC assessments done on?... If that time is being used to get the tonnage limitation removed please fill us in on a little more of your infoation

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 5th, 2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Miek

Thanks for the reply. My question was more how the cg was looking at cfr 11.402 (b)

I have ship mates turning in paperwork with tonnage restriction imposed and receiving 6000 and their 3rd without a restriction. The training vessels don't come close to the 10,000. I was wondering if anyone else was getting this pass.

What does 10,000 have to do with anything?

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 5th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Capt Leigh

Read that as 180 days on a vessel over 1600 tons

Only if you are working within the scope of your restricted license. If you are working under the authority of the 6000 osv then it is 360 days.

**ChiefRob** · August 5th, 2012, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Capt. Phoenix

What does 10,000 have to do with anything?

Capt Phoenix, I was kind of wondering the same thing. The only reference I ever remember seeing about 10,000 is the H.P. breaking point for an engineers license. After 10,000 H.P. it is considered unlimited H.P., or a formula that equals that. Got no idea what that has to do with a deck license.

**tugsailor** · August 5th, 2012, 12:00 PM

I seem to recall something about tonnage limitations being removed entirely once your calculated tonnage credit reaches 10,000 tons.

**ryanwood86** · August 5th, 2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by tugsailor

I seem to recall something about tonnage limitations being removed entirely once your calculated tonnage credit reaches 10,000 tons.

Yea it was in a CG policy letter about removing tonnage restrictions.

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 5th, 2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by tugsailor

I seem to recall something about tonnage limitations being removed entirely once your calculated tonnage credit reaches 10,000 tons.

True, but I have no idea how your calculated tonnage could possibly get that high without you having enough time over 1600 grt to have the restriction lifted long before.

I was being a bit obtuse in my question to get him to elaborate. I think he was wondering how their tonnage restrictions were lifted because none of his companies vessels are over 10,000 tons but I need him to specify why 10,000 concerns him so he can be corrected if he is wrong.

**AB Murph** · August 6th, 2012, 07:12 AM

Don't know if this is true but when I applied for 3rd mate U/L my evaluator told me after a year working on the 3000 ITC I could have it removed. Less if you are working on a boat over 3000 ITC.

Haven't looked into it yet that much because Not ready to upgrade yet.

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 6th, 2012, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by AB Murph

Don't know if this is true but when I applied for 3rd mate U/L my evaluator told me after a year working on the 3000 ITC I could have it removed. Less if you are working on a boat over 3000 ITC.

Haven't looked into it yet that much because Not ready to upgrade yet.

Thats not supposed to be the way it works because 1600grt = 3000gt so the tonnage should need to be over 3000gt to remove the restriction.

**AB Murph** · August 6th, 2012, 03:17 PM

ECO's True 280's are over 3000 ITC. The 278' is not. Both are 1600 GRT.

Just saying what the guy said. 1 yr. or roughly 8 months sea time and it is lifted. On a true 280 you only have to do 7-8 months. Again haven't looked into it that much since I just got the lic.

I'm sure it's CRYSTAL CLEAR in the CFR's according to another thread. Shouldn't be that much a question huh??

**rjbpilot** · August 6th, 2012, 03:27 PM

Here's CG-543PL11-12 that makes this so clear.....

http://www.uscg.mil/tvncoe/Documents...543PL11-12.pdf

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 6th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by AB Murph

ECO's True 280's are over 3000 ITC. The 278' is not. Both are 1600 GRT.

As far as I know neither of those classes have a grt. OSVs appear to only be measured under itc.

**Capt. Phoenix** · August 6th, 2012, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by AB Murph

I'm sure it's CRYSTAL CLEAR in the CFR's according to another thread. Shouldn't be that much a question huh??

It is crystal clear. Maybe the nmc screws up sometimes and gives people more or less than they should but the rules are crystal clear.

**Fraqrat** · August 6th, 2012, 04:46 PM

The only thing that is CRYSTAL CLEAR is the evaluators at the NMC are never on the same page in regards to CFR interpretation.

**AB Murph** · August 7th, 2012, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by Capt. Phoenix

It is crystal clear. Maybe the nmc screws up sometimes and gives people more or less than they should but the rules are crystal clear.

Goes back to what me and you were talking about 4-5 months ago. They told me one thing and told you another.

Same institution reading the same words but come up with different meanings. These are people that deal with it ALL DAY. We deal with it whenever we have to. IF they can't read it and come to the same conclusion how are we to deceide who is correct. It happens every time layers get involved.

**tugsailor** · August 7th, 2012, 05:31 AM

This is yet another example of why it is advantageous to hire a licensing expert who deals with the NMC staff on a daily basis and speaks their language.