Qualifications to become 1600t NC mate

**waddington1** · May 10th, 2012, 08:28 AM

Friend is trying to get his 1600 NC mate. He can serve on a 200 ton vessel as a mate or AB. He thinks he has to accept the AB spot because of this requirement:

180 days of service as AB, Boatswain, Quartermaster, or equivalent position on vessels over 100 GRT while holding certification as AB.

Question is, if he accepts the mate position can he apply this mate sea time towards the 180 AB days?

**Jemplayer** · May 10th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Take the mate position and he can go straight to 1600ton master as long as the vessel is over 100 tons

**waddington1** · May 10th, 2012, 11:52 AM

He will have the sea time for the Mate 1600 but not the Master by the end of the Summer. So I am hoping that the Coast Guard will allow his time as mate on the 200 ton vessel to fulfill the 180 AB days

**Jemplayer** · May 10th, 2012, 01:04 PM

Has he already done Advanced Fire Fighting, Medical Cape Provider, Bridge Resource Management, GMDSS, and ARPA?

I'm guessing since he already has his AB he's got RFPNW and Lifeboat.

You can't send in your application to test till you have those done plus the assessments for OICNW. If not get all those done first and then see how far he his for the sea time for his masters.

What does his sea time look like. How much and how many days on what size vessel?

**waddington1** · May 10th, 2012, 02:14 PM

He has everything but the AB sea time to get his 1600 NC mates license. He says he can qualify for the 1600 NC Mate after working the rest of the summer as an AB. BUT he could get a job as a mate on the same boat. He would make more money and gain valuable experience. SO. If he takes the job as mate can he use that time to finish the 180 days required as an AB?

**cappy208** · May 11th, 2012, 08:18 AM

Does he have a license? Or just an AB ticket? Is this time as mate in a Navigation watch standing capacity WITH a license? What type vessel?

If he does have a license, what tonnage? What route: inland, NC or Oceans? How many days total?

If he has a license and is serving ON that license, then he qualifies under a different paragraph. (excepting the amount of days required. )

**waddington1** · May 11th, 2012, 08:41 AM

He presently has his AB and is holding a 200ton NC mates license with Auxiliary sail. His time on the vessel this summer would be in a navigation watch standing capacity with a license. The vessel is a 200 ton sail training vessel.

**tugsailor** · May 11th, 2012, 09:29 AM

It seems pretty obvious that --- on the same "200 ton" vessel --- seatime sailing as mate under the authority of a mate's license is better than seatime sailing as AB. Mate is a superior position of responsibility. But don't take my word for it, write to the USCG and ask for a letter confirming it.

**jdcavo** · May 11th, 2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by waddington1

Friend is trying to get his 1600 NC mate. He can serve on a 200 ton vessel as a mate or AB. He thinks he has to accept the AB spot because of this requirement:

180 days of service as AB, Boatswain, Quartermaster, or equivalent position on vessels over 100 GRT while holding certification as AB.

Question is, if he accepts the mate position can he apply this mate sea time towards the 180 AB days?

Time as a mate can be used to meet the requirements for service as AB, provided that 1) the service was on vessels over 100 GRT; and 2) the service as mate was within the scope of the license (tonnage, route, etc.).

The reason for requiring the mate time to be over 100 GRT as the mate 1600 requiirement for AB calls for over 100 GRT.

**waddington1** · May 14th, 2012, 10:08 AM

So that final answer from the NMC is this:

On 5/11/12 (May 11)9:15 AM,

Since the mate 1660 requirement for time as AB must have been on vessels
of at least 100 GRT, he could use time as Mate for this requirement,
provided that it was on vessels over 100 GRT. And of course, the service
as mate has to be within the authority of his license (tonnage, route,
etc.)

Thanks for trying to help me everyone. This matter is closed

**jdcavo** · May 15th, 2012, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by waddington1

So that final answer from the NMC is this:

On 5/11/12 (May 11)9:15 AM,

Since the mate 1660 requirement for time as AB must have been on vessels
of at least 100 GRT, he could use time as Mate for this requirement,
provided that it was on vessels over 100 GRT. And of course, the service
as mate has to be within the authority of his license (tonnage, route,
etc.)

Thanks for trying to help me everyone. This matter is closed

That's not from NMC, it's the e-mail I sent you. I don't work at NMC.

**cappy208** · May 15th, 2012, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by waddington1

He presently has his AB and is holding a 200ton NC mates license with Auxiliary sail. His time on the vessel this summer would be in a navigation watch standing capacity with a license. The vessel is a 200 ton sail training vessel.

Get the "real" tonnage. If the vessel is really 200 tons, It is VERY unusual to have a vessel of exactly the round number tonnage. Sounds like all the facts aren't out there. What is the vessels name. It can be looked up readily. corwith cramer? SEA?

**waddington1** · May 16th, 2012, 07:02 AM

Sorry about the mistake jdcavo. HERE is the NMC comment:

Dear Sir,

We can accept service as a Mate however you must hold a valid Mate license and the service letter must document your service as Mate.

Thank you for contacting the National Maritime Center.

If you have any further questions please contact us.