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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - What happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by gavin737 View Post
    Sorry New3M don't know how to cut & paste and quote yet!

    What if a defect affects the seaworthiness of the vessel or something that would affect the validity of the ship's safety certificate?
    (Just hit "Reply with Quote" under the post)

    Absolutely, if a problem affects the seaworthiness or another serious issue with a ship, it would be fixed promptly and the ship would not be able to sail until the problem was solved.

    However, I can promise you that the VDR being non-functional is not one of those issues. A technician would be scheduled to come to the ship, and depending on the schedule, it could be several port calls before a technician catches up to the ship. And if it's not in port long enough for the problem to get fixed, it gets pushed off to the next chance the tech can get back to the ship.
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - What happened?

    I understood we were dealing with more than one hole on both sides?
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    From "The Wit and Wisdom of Winston Churchill" by James C. Humes:"Late in his life, Sir Winston took a cruise on an Italian ship. A
    journalist from a New York newspaper approached the former prime minister
    to ask him why he chose to travel on an Italian line when the Queen
    Elizabeth under the British flag was available.

    Churchill gave the question his consideration and then gravely replied.
    'There are three things I like about Italian ships. First, their cuisine,
    which is unsurpassed. Second, their service, which is quite superb. And
    then - in time of emergency - there is none of this nonsense about women
    and children first.'
    "Captain standard operating procedure for decision making is to do what feels right to you at the time, and then to give logical sounding justifications for what you were already going to do anyway" -
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - Why no PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN?

    This incident really makes me question SOLAS regs.
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - Why no PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by AHTS Master View Post
    This incident really makes me question SOLAS regs.
    That's like questioning the speed limit because some knucklehead hit a school bus doing 90 mph.
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - What happened?

    Quote Originally Posted by anchorman View Post
    From "The Wit and Wisdom of Winston Churchill" by James C. Humes:"Late in his life, Sir Winston took a cruise on an Italian ship. A
    journalist from a New York newspaper approached the former prime minister
    to ask him why he chose to travel on an Italian line when the Queen
    Elizabeth under the British flag was available.

    Churchill gave the question his consideration and then gravely replied.
    'There are three things I like about Italian ships. First, their cuisine,
    which is unsurpassed. Second, their service, which is quite superb. And
    then - in time of emergency - there is none of this nonsense about women
    and children first.'
    Oh my goodness ..
    THAT is so funny, thanks for my night cap chuckles, anchorman.
    ~ the road goes on forever and the party never ends ~
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    Quote Originally Posted by rlanasa View Post
    I understood we were dealing with more than one hole on both sides?
    A republican debate, perhaps?
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - Why no PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by AHTS Master View Post
    This incident really makes me question SOLAS regs.
    Why?

    The hull lasted long enough to get 99% of all aboard off despite being driven into rocks at 16 knots, five flooded compartments, and no evacuation being called for over 40 minutes and only then after a mutiny. Not much better can be expected from a peacetime civilian hull design cheap enough to build.

    STCW needs to add temperament and crisis response testing requirements to weed out people who belong in office jobs. Engineering solutions alone will not help.
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    Default Re: Costa Concordia Disaster - Why no PAN PAN PAN PAN PAN?

    The only cross section I’ve found of the Costa Concordia’s hull (http://www.cruiseplanet.co.jp/pdf/co.../concordia.pdf) shows 16 watertight compartments. I’ve assigned the engine rooms to the two directly below the stack, about 250 feet from the stern. Numbered bow to stern: #1 Bow Bulb, #2 Bow Thrusters, #3(?), #4(?), #5(?), #6(?), #7(?), #8(?), #9 (control/electrical room?)(holed), #10 (forward engine room?)(holed), #11 (aft engine room?)(holed), #12 (motors?)(holed), #13 (shafts)(holed), #14 (shafts), #15 (stern thrusters), #16 (rudders).

    The side view drawing shows several very low (1-2 deck) watertight bulkheads so I don’t particularly trust it, but better than nothing. Maybe some of you with large liner experience can clarify it some.

    The hole shown in the photos on the port side of the ship extends from the ninth lifeboat of thirteen, aft to the large rock embedded in the hull under the last lifeboat. The ninth lifeboat is just forward of the middle stairwell. The thirteenth is directly above the 13th compartment, aft stairwell, and where the shafts enter the hull, about 160 feet forward of the stern. So five compartments were opened to the sea, as the engineer’s testimony indicated, including probably all of the main engineering spaces. The engineer said it was a “3 compartment” ship, so they knew immediately it would sink. The motors to the pumps would not start, which is not surprising since the generators and controls were mostly underwater. Still wondering about the starboard list. Did it start before or after the grounding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    I've started this thread to gather thoughts and information about the Costa Concordia disaster. It's still entirely to early to know exactly what happened but we know that the vessel capsized after hitting rocks on Friday night. We also know that the captain has been arrested and the incident has resulted in the loss of life. What we don't know is why the vessel went off course. Was the captain or crew negligent in any way? Were SOLAS procedures followed and/or did they fail? Did the vessel lose electrical power?

    Does anybody have any updates or possible scenarios to consider?
    Thanks Mikey for your welcome message!
    I got to your page through an article about the wreckage of Costa Concordia.
    Thanks for your many articles about that: accurate and exhausting. Quite good the one highlighting the fact that a huge disaster can be caused by many mistakes/defects that may seem unimportant at first sight.
    From my side I tried to contribute with this video-summary of the events as of Jan. 22nd, approximately. I hope that this video-summary may contribute to the stopping of future unnecessary loss of lives.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWcyRJKmnk
    I would like to read here, or in one specific article, about your views on AIS and other maritime traffic monitoring systems, focused on the necessity to have them ON and ACTIVE 7/24, together with some expert's eyes watching their monitors, 7/24, needless to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck1 View Post
    The only cross section I’ve found of the Costa Concordia’s hull (http://www.cruiseplanet.co.jp/pdf/co.../concordia.pdf) shows 16 watertight compartments. I’ve assigned the engine rooms to the two directly below the stack, about 250 feet from the stern. Numbered bow to stern: #1 Bow Bulb, #2 Bow Thrusters, #3(?), #4(?), #5(?), #6(?), #7(?), #8(?), #9 (control/electrical room?)(holed), #10 (forward engine room?)(holed), #11 (aft engine room?)(holed), #12 (motors?)(holed), #13 (shafts)(holed), #14 (shafts), #15 (stern thrusters), #16 (rudders).
    Thanks for your informative post.

    The following link may help visualize the engineering spaces of Costa Concordia. It specifically deals with Costa Victoria, an older ship.

    "Diesel-electric Propulsion System for Cruise Liner "Costa Victoria"

    http://www.sam-electronics.de/dateie...eren/1.001.pdf

    Another interesting link deals with a sister ship, the Carnival Splendor:

    "Carnival Splendor perplexes engine room safety experts"

    http://www.amem.at/pdf/AMEM_Communic...0_Carnival.pdf

    Propulsion System:
    The diesel-electric propulsion system of the Carnival Splendor consists of two banks (three in the forward and three in the aft engine room) of Wärtsilä 12V46C four stroke diesel engines each rated at 12.600 kW driving (2) converter type motors (2 x 42 MW) from Converteam (ex Alstom), France.
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    Thaks for this post.
    "An once of wit is worth a pound of sorrow"
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