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    Well I finally got a job and have a question. I'll be decking somedays and running the boat somedays. the boat is over 50 tons but less than 100. There is no license needed, because it doesn't haul goods or people for hire, just company owned materials on their own boat. So, when I send in for an upgrade from 50 to 100 ton, do I say I was captain? Will the coast guard, in their infinate wisdom, say that is illegal since it was over 50 tons?(even if no license was required). Would it just save a bunch of questions to just say I was a deckhand for my sea time, no matter who actually ran the boat those days? Thanks!
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    So what are you saying? Do you have a 6-pack now? You can't just upgrade to a 100 ton masters without having something to begin with.
    If you went to school and took some classes, submitted your application along with your sea time, then you'd have something. But you can't just submit sea time for a license. You must take a school course and test, or take the
    exams at the Coast Guard.

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    I have a 50 ton Masters on the way from the USCG. Sorry I wasn't clear.
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    Yours is a curious question. You are being paid to run a boat, you are hauling cargo, and you DON'T need a license? That doesn't make sense.

    I know that if you have enough money, you can buy an airplane and fly it wherever you like. BUT, you cannot take any passengers, or be paid to do it.

    I would assume the law is the same regarding boats. I have always heard that if you are hired to run a vessel for cash, and are carrying cargo (regardless of whether you are paid by the owner of the cargo, or the shipper) you are a commercial vessel, subject to needing a license.

    this is like people who started a little 'ferry' near me. they stated (after being caught by the CG) that they were charging for the supplies they carried. but the people were being carried for free, so they weren't carrying passengers for hire. Not that you are carrying passengers, but if you are transporting the company employees, for the completion of their work. then you ARE carrying passengers!

    Anyway, get a seatime letter, as deckhand. get a 100 ton license, and don't worry about it.

    After thinking about it, I think you are correct in the assumption that you don't need a license. BUT, I bet dollars to donuts that this company has little, if any insurance, and is a somewhat less than great place to work, since if they cut expenses to this degree, they probably don't take care of other conditions too.
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    If you have 90 days on a vessel 51 tons or more, that will bump you to 100 ton master. You don't have to have a wheelhouse position, just time on the vessel. Keep it simple.

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    Thanks Swampfox, that's what I needed. Cappy, I'm not naming the company that I'm gonna work for but they've been in business a while. They pride themselves on how they treat their employees, and pay very well. Boats and company are fully insured for liability(I've seen the policy, because I do other work for them). Safety and maintenance are priority on the vessels. 80% of the employees have been there since the company started. You would lose you dollars to my donuts on this one. Thanks again guys.
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    And NO, It doesn't matter how much money you have you can't just buy an airplane and fly it where ever you want, passegers or not. I used to be a pilot for a living. LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bell47
    And NO, It doesn't matter how much money you have you can't just buy an airplane and fly it where ever you want, passegers or not. I used to be a pilot for a living. LOL!
    I think you can as long as it is classed as an experimental aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Schmitt View Post
    I think you can as long as it is classed as an experimental aircraft.
    That is exactly what I was thinking. ALA John Denver and his mooney EZLong

    OK, maybe not an exact analogy, but gets the point across.

    Since you used to make a living as a pilot, then you should be well versed in the nuances of passengers for hire, and different levels of licenses. The boat analogy is the same. Using your example, if you are operating a vessel for a company, being paid to do it, and carry more than your deckhand around, then you should be licensed. you are hired to run a vessel. If I hired a guy to run my sailboat i damned sure would want him to be licensed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Schmitt View Post
    I think you can as long as it is classed as an experimental aircraft.
    Maybe in some ultralight or other suicide rig, but not a real airplane. You have to be signed off, by a certified flight instructor, to solo, after some training. even then a solo endorsement doen't last forever(90 days I think) and you can't go farther than like 50 miles from the airport. and no passengers. No instructor is gonna just keep signing off solo endorsements forever either, because you are basically flying under his/her licence. Just because it's "expeirimental" doesn't mean anything for training. There are Boeing 747's that are certificated as "expierimental", Pratt and Whitney owns one, that doesn't just mean anyone can fly it. An airplane Type Certificate such as expierimental, utility, restricted, or normal(there's a bunch more) basically states how the plane is built and how it can be used. I guess if you talked the FAA into letting you change the type certificate of a plane to expierimental with no training required, and they signed off on it, you would be good to go kill yourself in it. WAIT A MINUTE...... I THOUGHT THIS WAS ABOUT BOATS!............ I hate airplanes!
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    It's the same with airplanes.......... A company employee can pilot a company airplane(with a basic private pilots license) with company personel and goods from point A to point B and stay on the clock if hourly or still get their salary. If they are actually just PAID TO FLY they have to have a commercial pilots licence. Same with a boat. Company goods and company personel going from point A to point B and returning with company owned goods and same personel. Nothing owned by anyone else is transported. No licence required. The second you haul something for someone and get paid for it , the captain better have a licence for the boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bell47
    It's the same with airplanes.......... A company employee can pilot a company airplane(with a basic private pilots license) with company personel and goods from point A to point B and stay on the clock if hourly or still get their salary. If they are actually just PAID TO FLY they have to have a commercial pilots licence. Same with a boat. Company goods and company personel going from point A to point B and returning with company owned goods and same personel. Nothing owned by anyone else is transported. No licence required. The second you haul something for someone and get paid for it , the captain better have a licence for the boat.
    Same with a boat? Are you sure?
    Let them who know not how to pray, go to sea.
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