Towing / lic. ?'s

**hawzpiper** · November 29th, 2011, 04:11 PM

Hey guys!
I've recently passed my examination for 500 master NC with a 3000 osv. I just have a couple of ?'s

First a little background info. My vessel has a ITC tonnage of 1495
And a dual COI one side is osv (when not towing) the other is industrial tug (when towing)

From what I see I may only run the vessel as an osv?

I am currently working on submittingy toar

After I complete my toar and hold master of towing vessels will I satisfy requirements of the COI? I know this is a long shot as my lic. States 500/3000 master. Just praying for a loop hole

**submarinedeckhand** · November 29th, 2011, 05:48 PM

I just finished with the same nonsense last year. After submission if the toar i was issued " pilot of towing" .
I applied for a tug job and the company said " but it doesnt actually say 500 towing" .
I went in to the REC and amazingly enough got not just an answer but a sarcastic letter right from the commondant saying " obviously the towing endorsement applies to any tonnage for which he had quilifcations"
A convoluted way of saying the toar will fix your quandry.
Good luck

**submarinedeckhand** · November 29th, 2011, 05:53 PM

Hay hawzpiper. I had similar concerns last year. After submitting a toar for the 500 i recieved a " pilot of towing" as you will. This applies the towing endorsement to any tonnage for which you currently hold.

**hawzpiper** · November 29th, 2011, 06:29 PM

Soooo once I complete my toar I will be able to run a 1495 ITC towing vessel with my 500ton 3000osv master?

**Capt. Phoenix** · November 29th, 2011, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by hawzpiper

Soooo once I complete my toar I will be able to run a 1495 ITC towing vessel with my 500ton 3000osv master?

Is there a domestic tonnage or just ITC?

**Capt. Phoenix** · November 29th, 2011, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by submarinedeckhand

I just finished with the same nonsense last year. After submission if the toar i was issued " pilot of towing" .
I applied for a tug job and the company said " but it doesnt actually say 500 towing" .
I went in to the REC and amazingly enough got not just an answer but a sarcastic letter right from the commondant saying " obviously the towing endorsement applies to any tonnage for which he had quilifcations"
A convoluted way of saying the toar will fix your quandry.
Good luck

Mate/Pilot of Towing is a separate license from your 500 ton. You do not have a "500 towing", you have a mate 500 ton and a "mate of towing".

**submarinedeckhand** · November 29th, 2011, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Capt. Schmitt

Mate/Pilot of Towing is a separate license from your 500 ton. You do not have a "500 towing", you have a mate 500 ton and a "mate of towing".

Thanks for clarifying. Actually I have a 1600 pilot of towing which, as you pointed out is in fact a mates ticket. Unless im reading the letter from the coastguard wrong ( and thats actually quite probable) it applies to the 500 masters also.

**submarinedeckhand** · November 29th, 2011, 09:56 PM

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Thanks for clarifying.

**50thState** · November 29th, 2011, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by submarinedeckhand

Thanks for clarifying. Actually I have a 1600 pilot of towing which, as you pointed out is in fact a mates ticket.

That is not at all what he pointed out. He said your Mate/Pilot of towing endorsement is separate from your license. It is not a mates ticket.

**cappy208** · November 30th, 2011, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by submarinedeckhand

Thanks for clarifying. Actually I have a 1600 pilot of towing which, as you pointed out is in fact a mates ticket. Unless im reading the letter from the coastguard wrong ( and thats actually quite probable) it applies to the 500 masters also.

If that were true would you really have two towing licenses? One of 500 ton and one of 1600 ton? There are seperate letters after your licenses. Like: 500 gross tons. Or 1600 tons (itc). Read ALL the letters and include the complete license description here. I think you are overlooking or not realizing the importance of something here.