JP (December 4th, 2011)
I heard Blessy gave out raises
Harvey Gulf has not said a peep about raises yet.
Well it looks like things are looking up in the Gulf.
I am a former mariner who now works shore based for a GOM vessel operator and have the benefit of seeing both sides of the fence. Lots have been discussed about day rates, equipment, training, etc.... and I would like to share my opinion on the subject. You guys working for the bigger operators make a very good salary even if you guys don't get raises soon. What other field can take a guy with no college education (or graduating high school for that matter) and turn it into a $150,000 plus/year paycheck? I can't think of one field where this happens regularly other than the vessel world. I can tell you that the average guys in the office make nowhere near as much as you guys do and have twice the bull to deal with and that's a fact. You (as did I when offshore) Mariners get paid to be away from home more than for your knowledge or work ethic. When you guys get off the vessel you have no phone calls to worry about, emails, etc.... you're off and free from your job until it's time to return.
Some of you need to realize that you can't have everything. Sure, Chouest may not be paying top notch but there equipment is second to none and THEY GIVE YOU ALL YOUR TRAINING FOR FREE!!!!! Do you have any idea how much money they shell out anually to train YOU for FREE and then get the same person bitching that they want a raise because they got a new certificate? So you want them to train you for free and then pay you top notch? Why don't you pay for the training yourself and then you are in a position to ask for more money, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Many companies may be making better money now but the last few years has been terribly tough on companies who have built boats to try and keep up with others and keep their mariners happy.
GOL and Harvey Gulf may be paying more but there equipment isn't as nice, they only have a handful of boats, they don't give you all training for free and they don't have the same opportunities (and no I don't work for Chouest). All I am saying is that some of you guys need to step back and realize how good you really have it before constantly complaining that you're not making enough. My company tried paying more wages with state of the art equipment and we didn't get any better results or quality guys in the big scheme of things. Do you realize that an A/B making $360/day working 28/14 is roughly $87,000!!! This is for a guy whose main responsibilites include painting, cleaning and deck work. That's more than your average Safety, personnel or operations guy makes on a yearly basis with more experience and a college degree.
I know I will get lots of negative feedback from this but some guys will be asking for more money even if they got to $900/day. They will be complaining about profits being made, etc...... If you want to make these big profits go start your own boat company, I promise you it is easier said than done. Somewhere somebody put all of their chips on the line and either got rewarded or failed miserably. I say the guys who succeeded should be able to pay themselves whatever they want because they have all the risk, not the office staff or offshore staff.
I was at Chouest for over 15 years, worked up to unlimited master, and was Master of (2) flagships - the Dino Chouest and the Island Enforcer. I left the company for one reason - my family. I worked offshore for 20 years and graduated 20 years ago spending nearly 5,500 days offshore during that time. I left for over $200,000/year working equal time, better insurance, better 401k, but they don't own their own school. They just pay for one, the flight, the hotel, the rental car, and then pay you extra to go. It's not free - It's actually profitable to get training. If I lose my left hand tomorrow at work, my employer provided insurance will pay me 80% of my current pay till I hit the grave. I believe the rest of my professional life will be better for my family. I earned it. I started at $50.00/day painting and chipping, and it was probably more that what guys in the office where making then too. $900/day for me would be working backwards, but I did not ask for any of it. That was the offer....and I'm just a Mate now.
Every time a seaman walks up a gangway, he is not only sacrificing time away from family, but he is risking losing that same family due to the nature of the work. A man cannot take any more personal risk than that. I don't care if you have a 8th grade education or graduated from a maritime academy. You deserve what the free market dictates. There is nothing to compare it to unless it has to do with another person walking up a gangway with his seabag.
If 1/3 of operations staff walked out tomorrow to work offshore, the same thing will happen on the office side I would imagine. That's the way the cookie crumbles. It takes people to run a business.
Most could care less what the owners make. I never did and I hope they make more and more to expand their business and create more opportunities (every owner I met was a great person, on top of businessman), but ever so often, big raises are needed for the masses because of the business model and free market. Personally, I think it would be a lot less dramatic to sell big oil companies on progressive contracts where modest 1.5-3% annual raises where incorporated - no guess work. Then, you wouldn't lose seasoned talent and have to respond with 25-30%...that most certainly would not get back the most talented of who left - just retain the flood of who was leaving. I don't remember one person complaining about the owners making money. That is ludicrous assumption as profit works in tandem with personal pay.
I do have a problem with "Mariners get paid to be away from home more than for your knowledge or work ethic"......that tells me if you did work offshore, you quit too soon because if that was your attitude on my ship, I most likely would have ran you off at some point. You must strive to have both of those things (knowledge and work ethic)to succeed even marginally.
"Captain standard operating procedure for decision making is to do what feels right to you at the time, and then to give logical sounding justifications for what you were already going to do anyway" -
Like Anchorman said! Free market is the way to go!! I guess when their is a demand for safety coordinators with a collage degree they to will be making 200k a year.Originally Posted by Saltine
Guys I apologizes for my previous post!! I used my iPhone and for some reason my reply is inside Saltine's quote.
Saltine Said- "THEY GIVE YOU ALL YOUR TRAINING FOR FREE!!!!! Do you have any idea how much money they shell out anually to train YOU for FREE and then get the same person bitching that they want a raise because they got a new certificate? So you want them to train you for free and then pay you top notch? Why don't you pay for the training yourself and then you are in a position to ask for more money."
PR-9: I am sure you are not taking about this free school scam!!! Most of the classes mariners take are contractual requirements not ask by the mariner but by the oil companies!! Also most of the classes offered by GOM companies are paid with Federal Grants!!! So you got the money for free and then you want to claim the price for the class as if it came out of your pocket!!
Saltine Said- "Do you realize that an A/B making $360/day working 28/14 is roughly $87,000!!! This is for a guy whose main responsibilites include painting, cleaning and deck work. That's more than your average Safety, personnel or operations guy makes on a yearly basis with more experience and a college degree."
PR-9: "Go ahead and disrespect the back bone of our industry!!! The ABs and QMEDs are very hard working people that earn every Dollar they get!! Not to mention the future of our industry!! You went to shore probably to spend more time with your family. Don't get in this Forum and disrespect the people that are making sacrifices for their families!!!
I like to think part of that big pay check Im getting is because I've spent close to 5 month of my life in a class room to just get a 500 ton oceans ticket with just DP intro. Majority of this done on my free time and out of my pocket, and all of it done off the clock so to speak.
I don't know the last time somebody in the office spent that much time in a classroom since college, IF they went. Not my fault you guys chose the low paying, high stress, never ending BS job.
And yea I fell I'm underpaid till I'm making at least a grand a day and believe me it's coming in the next 5 years and probably sooner!
Getting straight with Nate, because apparently getting right means your going to have to retake Nav Gen
Word is out that Harvey Gulf has given the officers a raise, not sure how much though.