New policy letter 11-07

[Newschool]

Has anyone had any luck getting the NMC to upgrade them do to this new policy letter 11-07?They seem to be draging there feet with most guys I know.

[dougpine]

11-07 is policy and so if NMC isn't using it there's something awry. But they are using it, because it is policy. What has happened to make you think that 11-07 is slowing things down? They were slow prior to this past June.

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[CaptJake]

I have an application in NOW and was wondering the same thing. I am upgrading from 2/M Unlm to C/M Unlm and have sent in only updated:
Flashing Light
Physical
and proper sea time

No courses, sign-offs, or anything... So far It's made it to Medical Review (cleared the REC and initial review at NMC)...

I haven't heard of anyone getting their C/M under the new policy with such few requirements... guess in a few days when I get to PQEB we'll all find out....

CJ

[PR-9]

I have an application in NOW and was wondering the same thing. I am upgrading from 2/M Unlm to C/M Unlm and have sent in only updated:
Flashing Light
Physical
and proper sea time

No courses, sign-offs, or anything... So far It's made it to Medical Review (cleared the REC and initial review at NMC)...

I haven't heard of anyone getting their C/M under the new policy with such few requirements... guess in a few days when I get to PQEB we'll all find out....

CJ

Please let us know when you hear something. I will be submitting mine in a few days!

Good Luck!!

[anchorman]

I have an application in NOW and was wondering the same thing. I am upgrading from 2/M Unlm to C/M Unlm and have sent in only updated:
Flashing Light
Physical
and proper sea time

No courses, sign-offs, or anything... So far It's made it to Medical Review (cleared the REC and initial review at NMC)...

I haven't heard of anyone getting their C/M under the new policy with such few requirements... guess in a few days when I get to PQEB we'll all find out....

CJ

I can tell you now that you will get a letter requesting more information.

[Jeffrox]

Aren't the CM/Master assesments required to be signed off?

[anchorman]

Aren't the CM/Master assesments required to be signed off?

Of course, and the policy has not been changed yet, as far as not needing the C/M courses. At this point, even though the coast guard has acknowledged they cannot require people to take the C/M courses, it may take the reconsideration and appeal process to get that on you application, until the policy is changed. Not having the assessments you cannot start anything. You will get a letter - big deal.

[CaptJake]

I can tell you now that you will get a letter requesting more information.

This is what I keep hearing from people however after calling the NMC and speaking with 4 (FOUR) different reps they have all advised me that since I have STCW 95 satisfied in the management level already under the 3M, 2M, 1600 Master, or Mate OSV criteria as per the 11-07 policy I "do not require further training, examination, or assessments".

Site doc 11-07 page 5 section 'e' subsection 2 paragraph i

I see the management course requirement on the C/M checklist however the above document reads otherwise...

It amazes me that this has been in play for 2 months now and I am the first to be finding out what us 2/M raising grade to a C/M need. Had I had the sea time I would have been on this back in July!

[anchorman]

This is what I keep hearing from people however after calling the NMC and speaking with 4 (FOUR) different reps they have all advised me that since I have STCW 95 satisfied in the management level already under the 3M, 2M, 1600 Master, or Mate OSV criteria as per the 11-07 policy I "do not require further training, examination, or assessments".

Site doc 11-07 page 5 section 'e' subsection 2 paragraph i

I see the management course requirement on the C/M checklist however the above document reads otherwise...

It amazes me that this has been in play for 2 months now and I am the first to be finding out what us 2/M raising grade to a C/M need. Had I had the sea time I would have been on this back in July!

You will see.

[CaptJake]

Also, page 6 under the "Action" paragraph states in line item 1 that "The NMC shall be guided by the information in this policy letter".. How can it not be enforced yet when the USCG is directing the NMC to follow it back in June?

I know the uscg is slow on thing like this but c'mon, I feel it should be valid upon date received.. If my application is AFTER that, I should be good.

I really wish someone knew someone who has tried this... the anticipation is killer!

[CaptJake]

You will see.

This is supposed to be a helpful forum.. I don't find anything helpful with your responses.

[rigdvr]

This is supposed to be a helpful forum.. I don't find anything helpful with your responses.

Maybe after a few more than 4 posts you will realize how helpful anchorman and the other regulars are even if its not the advice you were hoping for.

[dougpine]

This is supposed to be a helpful forum.. I don't find anything helpful with your responses.

Spend some time here CaptJake before assuming anything. Especially about anchorman, capt_anonymous, and others.

[dougpine]

I have an application in NOW and was wondering the same thing. I am upgrading from 2/M Unlm to C/M Unlm and have sent in only updated:
Flashing Light
Physical
and proper sea time

No courses, sign-offs, or anything... So far It's made it to Medical Review (cleared the REC and initial review at NMC)...

I haven't heard of anyone getting their C/M under the new policy with such few requirements... guess in a few days when I get to PQEB we'll all find out....

CJ

Have you read the policy letter? It does not apply to C/M - Master.

[jdcavo]

....No courses, sign-offs, or anything... So far It's made it to Medical Review (cleared the REC and initial review at NMC)...

Assessments ('sign-offs") are definitely required for an STCW endorsement for Chief Mate [see 46 CFR 11.903(d)] You will almost certainly receive an "awaiting information" letter about needing assessments when your application reaches the professional qualifications evaluation ("PQEB"). However, it is no longer necessary to qualify for an STCW endorsement as a condition of qualifying for an officer endorsement (license). So you may be approved to test for the Chief Mate license, but not qualify for the STCW endorsement (i.e. you can get the Chief Mate license, but since you don't qualify for the corresponding STCW endorsement, you may not bae anble to use it).

....I haven't heard of anyone getting their C/M under the new policy with such few requirements...

There is no new policy letter for the "management level" of Chief Mate and Master. Policy letter 11-07 is only for the operational level -- mate, 3rd mate, and 2nd mate. It does not apply to Chief Mate.

[anchorman]

Spend some time here CaptJake before assuming anything. Especially about anchorman, capt_anonymous, and others.

I only said what was going to happen before it happened. That's the best help there is.

[Cal]

You must be as popular with your children as I am with mine anchorman.

My son told me at breakfast the other day after something happened to him, "I'm not going to tell you you were right, you already know you were right so I'm not going to say it".

I don't think they realize how many times I wish I were wrong.

[CaptJake]

I'm just trying to find out what is required by me in order to achieve this license, 'good or bad' news for my app doesn't matter. I will have the sign-offs ready to send in when the letter comes (on board now)


Doug - where does it state that this letter does not apply to C/M? It states that if the following (3M, 2M, 1600 Capt, OSV Mate) are achieved, than the following provisions of 11-07 will apply. (grey)


Cavo - I checked the CFR's and is also states in the same section that I should have tested for 2M however USCG policy said that I did not because I already took the 2M test during the 3M test ... (grey)

All - called the NMC again and got a supervisor today (again, 5th person I've spoken to there), he assured me that I have sent in everything required under the new policy requirements "It cleared the REC, they have the same checklist we do and screen the applications there to streamline the process"... not that this means anything until my evaluator says so but just an FYI to those looking to apply...


The problem here is that there is no longer any black and white, no one has actually done this yet it appears, I guess I will just be waiting to see what happens and let you all know. No disrespect anchorman, your posts on here seem to be solid, I just hoped for supporting evidence from you guys and not "you'll see".

[Jeffrox]

Assessments ('sign-offs") are definitely required for an STCW endorsement for Chief Mate [see 46 CFR 11.903(d)] You will almost certainly receive an "awaiting information" letter about needing assessments when your application reaches the professional qualifications evaluation ("PQEB"). However, it is no longer necessary to qualify for an STCW endorsement as a condition of qualifying for an officer endorsement (license). So you may be approved to test for the Chief Mate license, but not qualify for the STCW endorsement (i.e. you can get the Chief Mate license, but since you don't qualify for the corresponding STCW endorsement, you may not bae anble to use it).



There is no new policy letter for the "management level" of Chief Mate and Master. Policy letter 11-07 is only for the operational level -- mate, 3rd mate, and 2nd mate. It does not apply to Chief Mate.

Paragraph 3a is worded badly IMHO, as worded now, it can imply that if you hold a 2mate you can move on up. Like Mr Cavo said, maybe you can get a CM license but no STCW. If you have your assessment signed and ready, then there really isn't a debate for you. Do check back in though, I'm interested in how it goes for you.
Cheers, Jeff

[dougpine]

Doug - where does it state that this letter does not apply to C/M? It states that if the following (3M, 2M, 1600 Capt, OSV Mate) are achieved, than the following provisions of 11-07 will apply.

Page 1, Section 3(a) APPLICABILITY

And it has nothing to do with "1600 Capt", whatever that is. This letter only concerns Mate certificates.

Have a look at this video too:

http://youtu.be/FsOT3zYMjUI