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    Default Chief MODU STCW95

    I have a friend of mine that is trying to get his Singapore conversion for his Chief MODU license. The thing is he does not have STCW 95. He has his Basic Safety Training, Proficiency in Survival Craft, and Advanced Fire Fighting. Does he just need to apply for STCW? This is a peculiar case that I have never come across. I am thinking that if he applies for his STCW 95 that they will just issue him a new MMC with the domestic license and STCW. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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    Default Re: Chief MODU STCW95

    Isn't a MODU chief one of those dufus tickets made for the oil patch and has no STCW equivalent? Most other countries that require a license require a good old fashioned STCW compliant marine engineer's ticket.

    I think you can take all the STCW training courses that exist and it still won't make a US limited license meet any international standard that doesn't exist otherwise.

    Then again, I could be wrong and await more information from those who have obtained a foreign endorsement or CeC.
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    I know that Panama does recognize Chief MODU and issues the foreign conversion as such. I understand what you are saying and that may be my question. Is the Chief MODU valid internationally? If so how does he get his STCW?
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    Default Re: Chief MODU STCW95

    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Lee View Post
    I know that Panama does recognize Chief MODU and issues the foreign conversion as such. I understand what you are saying and that may be my question. Is the Chief MODU valid internationally? If so how does he get his STCW?
    STCW is usually what each country crosses over. They can care less about what the MMC says if it doesn't have code A-III/2 on his STCW. Tell him to get with NMC to get A-III/2 restricted to MODU's endorsed on his STCW.

    A-III/2 covers all Chief Engineer licenses, fishing, OSV, limited,......even unlimited when it has no restriction. I would start with NMC and ask why he doesn't have that code and how to get it. Flag states generally do not care one iota of the restriction as long as that code is on the STCW. Once that is resolved an application can be made with Singapore, you can request a CRA "certificate of receipt of application" and he will be good for 90 days. legally, while the application is being processed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anchorman View Post
    STCW is usually what each country crosses over. They can care less about what the MMC says if it doesn't have code A-III/2 on his STCW. Tell him to get with NMC to get A-III/2 restricted to MODU's endorsed on his STCW.

    A-III/2 covers all Chief Engineer licenses, fishing, OSV, limited,......even unlimited when it has no restriction. I would start with NMC and ask why he doesn't have that code and how to get it. Flag states generally do not care one iota of the restriction as long as that code is on the STCW. Once that is resolved an application can be made with Singapore, you can request a CRA "certificate of receipt of application" and he will be good for 90 days. legally, while the application is being processed.
    That is exactly what I thought and confirmed with IASKNMC. Now he has to take BST. His is since 2001 and they say it has to be within the last 5 years. Thanks for the response.

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    Does it make you bitter that he can be your equal on a MODU? He is perfectly qualified and an expert in his field. Let me hear your thoughts on this. Don't be surprised if this happens with the OSV. Unlimited Master OSV, here we come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Lee View Post
    That is exactly what I thought and confirmed with IASKNMC. Now he has to take BST. His is since 2001 and they say it has to be within the last 5 years. Thanks for the response.

    Steamer,

    Does it make you bitter that he can be your equal on a MODU? He is perfectly qualified and an expert in his field. Let me hear your thoughts on this. Don't be surprised if this happens with the OSV. Unlimited Master OSV, here we come.
    He cannot be equal to an unlimited Chief Engineer. He is restricted to a MODU. Absolutely nothing wrong with that considering the time, training, and experience it takes to become an expert on a MODU - outside the scope of any STCW requirements. If he wants to go the unlimited route, he can do that too. I can't believe they are requiring him to retake BST, but if he never used those courses to get STCW, that is his own stupid fault. Retaking STCW BST will start with implementation of STCW 2010 amendments - every 5 years - for everyone. I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anchorman View Post
    He cannot be equal to an unlimited Chief Engineer. He is restricted to a MODU. Absolutely nothing wrong with that considering the time, training, and experience it takes to become an expert on a MODU - outside the scope of any STCW requirements. If he wants to go the unlimited route, he can do that too. I can't believe they are requiring him to retake BST, but if he never used those courses to get STCW, that is his own stupid fault. Retaking STCW BST will start with implementation of STCW 2010 amendments - every 5 years - for everyone. I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anchorman View Post
    I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.
    Does BOSIET fulfill the BST requirements for STCW? If that is the case he has a current BOSIET. I don't think it will work, though.
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    Default Re: Chief MODU STCW95

    I am told bosiet won't cut it in the USA in 2012 for sure, I am not at all sure about how it's currently viewed. There is talk of phasing out the MODU license as well but I don't see that happening any time soon. At any rate , sooner or later the gentleman is going to have to get the STCW BST out of the way, might as well do it now.
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    Default Re: Chief MODU STCW95

    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Lee View Post
    Does BOSIET fulfill the BST requirements for STCW? If that is the case he has a current BOSIET. I don't think it will work, though.
    Bosiet does not cover BST, but BST + Huet covers Bosiet.......for the licensed mariners, that would be the route that I would go considering the 2010 STCW requirements breathing down everyone's neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt. Lee View Post
    When I am trying to pick a fight with Steamer...You stay out of it!!!
    What's to fight about? By the time he gets the training and experience to replace me on a ship I won't be sailing anyway ... MODU is a limitation, not a shortcut.

    The only issue I have with these dufus tickets is that the companies created them to breed a subclass of mariners who will always be limited to working for them. It is a shame that new guys entering that business don't know that they could use that time and training to get paperwork that will open the rest of the world to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steamer View Post
    What's to fight about? By the time he gets the training and experience to replace me on a ship I won't be sailing anyway ... MODU is a limitation, not a shortcut.

    The only issue I have with these dufus tickets is that the companies created them to breed a subclass of mariners who will always be limited to working for them. It is a shame that new guys entering that business don't know that they could use that time and training to get paperwork that will open the rest of the world to them.
    Sorry Steamer. I laid a trap for a Hog, but I caught a pig. I put the bait out, but anchorman ruined it. The thing you fail to understand that without these programs many qualified field specialist would never get that position. To navigate the USCG licensing system is like space travel to some and no one to ask for help. Being stuck in one field doesn't matter, because they do not have any intention of leaving this field anyway.
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