Cosco Busan Allision

[Captmad]

Just came to my attention, the SF Bay Pilot aboard the Cosco Busan when it hit the Bay Bridge. Will be going to jail.

His pilot career is over but does he deserve jail time for soiling a couple birds?

[c.captain]

If he had been at all humble and circumspect after the accident, he would deserve some mercy but his arrogance and hubris after it was more than clear that he was responsible makes him one I feel deserves a price to pay beyond a forced retirement (I am sure he will get his full pension as well).

How much time is he getting?

[john]

I don't see this news anywhere online. Is this information public yet?

[john]

I must say Mad.... you got this one right:

John Cota, Pilot Of The Cosco Busan, Pleads Guilty

[Captmad]

So does John Cota deserve jail time for soiling some birds?

Some cohorts believe he deserves jail time. What do the gCaptain readers think?

[captjacksparrow]

Whether or not he deserves to go to prison is debateable; there were numerous failings in this case as detailed in the NTSB report. But to say that this amounted to nothing more than "soiling some birds" is, at best, an enormous understatement, and I'm being kind. Everyone should read Uncharted Waters: Criminalizing the Cosco Busan Incident from the Maritime Executive. We're entering a new era with unknown consequences for all of us. Try to keep 'er between the buoys.....

[Captmad]

Good point. Things will change.

Probably not for the better either.

[cajuntugster]

I think some of the reason for such a severe sentence was that he did not disclose all of the medication he was taking when he renewed his license(s)

This open up a whole new can of worms for us, be honest and face non renewal? Or obfuscate and risk jail? A friend of mine just told me that if you have a BMI of 40 or more, you will need a medical waiver, a tankerman of his is the victim.

[oliveoil]

A "GIVEN" PEOPLE: OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOW FULLY AWARE OF WHAT NOT TO EVER PUT PAST PILOT ASSOCIATIONS LEADERSHIP IN THE US OF A:
Published Drugs obtained by Petaluma pilot John Cota in the 60 days before the Nov. 7, 2007 Cosco Busan crash:

200 tablets of hydrocodone and acetaminophen, a painkiller, sold as Vicodin.
190 tablets of propoxyphene, a painkiller, sold as Darvon
120 tablets of diazepam, a painkiller, sold as Valium
50 tablets of pentazocine and naloxone, a painkiller, sold as Talwin
27 tablets of sumatriptan, which treat migraine headaches, sold as Imitrex
180 tablets of lorazepam, which treat anxiety, sold as Ativan
90 tablets of modafinil, which improves wakefulness in patients with sleep disorders, sold as Provigil
90 tablets of sertraline, an antidepressant, sold as Zoloft
100 tablets of diphenoxylate and atropine, which treat gastrointestinal problems, sold under many names
50 tablets of prochlorperazine, which treat nausea, vomiting, schizophrenia and anxiety, sold as Compazine

[oliveoil]

HEY "AMERICAN PILOT ASSOCIATION" - WHAT CHANGES ARE YOU GOING TO INSTILL IN YOUR ORGANIZATIONS YOU OVERSEE ? ....OR ARE YOU STILL ASS DEEP IN INSURANCE LITIGATION WITH GREAT AMERICAN INSURANCE COMPANY FOR THEM NOT COVERING YOU DUE TO A "SEAWORTHYNESS ISSUE"....WHERE ONE OF YOUR ELITE LOST THEIR PILOT BOAT WITH DISCOVERY OF A DRUG USE ISSUE AS PER ARTICLE JUST PUBLISHED BELOW. YOUR REPS. MISLED THE NTSB PANEL ON 4/9/08 COSCO BUSAN HEARING......AND THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT IT NOW...AWAITING YOUR NEXT DONATION AMOUNT AND TO WHO....... TYPE IN "GALTEX PILOT BOAT" OR "Boat operator killed in accident had lost license five years earlier due to drug test"

Some interesting observations the NTSB NOW HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF:
On 4/9/08 - NTSB PUBLIC WEBCAST INVESTIGATION:

Barnicle BOB of APA - You were under oath.
....and the legal council Rep. for APA.... when asked specifically by the panel if you are aware of a problem within the associations with drug abuse....your reply was "not significantly.....we had one small group who was kinda in-the-dark on the Federal Regulations" ( end quote). OBVIOUSLY THE ABOVE ARTICLE ( OBTAINED THROUGH FOIA ) CLEARLY SHOWS THIS ISSUE IS MORE THAN JUST " NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ". Hey - last time checked....any fraudulent insurance claim over 200k is a 1st DEGREE FELONY in the State Of Texas.
The boat was insured for 365k.

Remember the old Christmas song " Chesnuts Roasting on an open fire".... ? It is a fitting tune in this venue.

[oliveoil]

[Cheng]

Oilveoil.

What did the Pilots Association do to get on your bad side? You obviously have issues with their organization. I'm not picking a fight or attempting to defend anyone. I could give a rat's ass about them but, You made a post that you seem to feel strongly about and I want to know if you have an agenda and if so, what it is.

I have know some to be a little egotistic and self centered but I guess that comes with the territory. It's not like Work boat Captains are above the occasional tirade of self absorbency.

So... what gives? You get pushed out of the channel by an out bound deep draft back in the day, pass the pilots test and never got called?

There is always more to the story... Lets have it.

This is a redundant response to a redundant post, I apologize to those who have had to read this twice. I discovered olive's other post and made the same comments there, before I realized this is the main page for this topic.

[Cheng]

There is nothing HUMBLE on how these arrogant people operate..... for it is refered to as "PILOTITIS"......a humble thinking that they are untouchable and walk on water....and can get away with anything they want to because of political clout and income level. But when insurance companies get involved - things will change....for they can not be bought....and they give a hell of a lot more to Senators and Congress than the idiots at large here do. You will see change.....behind closed doors at a MINIMUM.....but it is at this time unavoidable.

Are you insinuating that we on gCaptain are the "idiots at large"?

In my last post I stated that I was not picking a fight but I could quickly change my tune and I don't think your "copy and paste" technique would serve you well...

[cajuntugster]

You certainly do seem to have a burr under your saddle over this, whY?

[Cheng]

I deduce that Mr. Oliveoil is affiliated with the insurance sector of our fine industry. IF? I correctly ascertained this: I would like to add that the insurance companies are a tad bit more a thorn in my side than the pilot association.

Until he tells, to me... he shall remain an insurance writing - screwing the common man for anything he can slip by in his "small print" borderline ethical, semi-legal bullshit

WOW, it looks like I have an agenda

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by Cheng

There is nothing HUMBLE on how these arrogant people operate..... for it is refered to as "PILOTITIS"......a humble thinking that they are untouchable and walk on water....and can get away with anything they want to because of political clout and income level. But when insurance companies get involved - things will change....for they can not be bought....and they give a hell of a lot more to Senators and Congress than the idiots at large here do. You will see change.....behind closed doors at a MINIMUM.....but it is at this time unavoidable.

Are you insinuating that we on gCaptain are the "idiots at large"?

In my last post I stated that I was not picking a fight but I could quickly change my tune and I don't think your "copy and paste" technique would serve you well...

misunderstanding Sir....no we are not the idiots at large....just some may be a little more in-tune to the poitics of this. But your catching up ............

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by Cheng

I deduce that Mr. Oliveoil is affiliated with the insurance sector of our fine industry. IF? I correctly ascertained this: I would like to add that the insurance companies are a tad bit more a thorn in my side than the pilot association.

Until he tells, to me... he shall remain an insurance writing - screwing the common man for anything he can slip by in his "small print" borderline ethical, semi-legal bullshit

WOW, it looks like I have an agenda

Its Mrs. Oliveoil to you sir......someone who shorted AGI from the top.....taking full advantage of "insurance fraud" aloud to go on in the US of A.

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by oliveoil

misunderstanding Sir....no we are not the idiots at large....just some may be a little more in-tune to the poitics of this. But your catching up ............

sorry..."politics" mispelled.

[Captmad]

Oliveoil- Your rant has been noted.

Granted things are obviously going to change but there was a lot more oil spilt on the Mississippi river not long after the Cosco Busan incident. Dont hear much about that incident. Is it because it happened in LA? Did that pilot face any charges? Equity?

Please advise.

[Cheng]

Originally Posted by oliveoil

Its Mrs. Oliveoil to you sir......someone who shorted AGI from the top.....taking full advantage of "insurance fraud" aloud to go on in the US of A.

So what does this mean? "someone who shorted AGI from the top" Are you affiliated with the insurance side of this?

Your condescending comments about my catching up would carry an iota of validity if you explained your position or background. Right now you are just another mouth regurgitating pdf files on the web.

I only call my Mom. Mrs. Ma'am.

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by cajuntugster

You certainly do seem to have a burr under your saddle over this, whY?

Thanks for your question..... it's not a "burr'....it's a reality of the BS.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Dockets/Marine/D...004/394475.pdf
http://commerce.senate.gov/public/_files/PGKSenatetestimony3408.pdf

Thanks for the reply. First, their testimony for one see above) for the first time in NTSB Investigative panel history - someone actually asks about "political process and contributions"...." How much - more or less than the other guy", as if that subject has ANY bearing on the investigation. Second, just look over their testimony....ie their answer to panel....THEN compare what was released via FOIA in the Professional Mariner as mentioned earlier.

You sound like a conscientious Mariner...clearly anyone who goes to sea and is subject to the Federal Laws in regard to Federally Mandated Drug Testing Compliance ( which by the way the majority of us are all for) would get a little ( just a little) pissed off over both the arrogance and "ignorance of the law" claim when it comes to this subject matter.

If we can not be ensured the USCG will be keeping them on even keel....you can bet the P&I Insurance and US Insurance companies can....and will. Especially NOW. What is is the works is as follows: Insurance Companies can ask for all associations DAPI AUDIT. This annual and required document is a Federally mandated Drug Testing Compliance Audit....done exclusively by the USCG ( which is what the P.M. article is referring to). If you were an Insurer of their pilot boats....and discovered come time to renew their policy....and it was discovered that they failed their Dapi...."would you insure" ? Absolutely not !

Here is one for you.....how many "Associations" within the entire US pilotage system have a clean Dapi? This is being looked at my friend. Better yet - how would you like to be be the insurer who just got "had" with the P.M. release.

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by Cheng

So what does this mean? "someone who shorted AGI from the top" Are you affiliated with the insurance side of this?

Your condescending comments about my catching up would carry an iota of validity if you explained your position or background. Right now you are just another mouth regurgitating pdf files on the web.

I only call my Mom. Mrs. Ma'am.

Sorry ....seem to of got ya all worked up....thought "we" were on the same page.
As Professional Mariners. What is this "You show me yours - I'll show you mine" credential stuff and things? No - I don't work for insurance company. Let's just say when off the ship I do a lot of research within my industry. How about you sir?
Please do not take offense here....thought that we can place our views....and if someone has some first hand info....why not? Again - please accept my apology if your indeed pissed off.

Experienced Master - AGT Oceans

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by Captmad

Oliveoil- Your rant has been noted.

Granted things are obviously going to change but there was a lot more oil spilt on the Mississippi river not long after the Cosco Busan incident. Dont hear much about that incident. Is it because it happened in LA? Did that pilot face any charges? Equity?

Please advise.

Thanks for your inquiry.....

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpa...badpilots.html

or type in on your server: DISCIPLINARY INACTION

THEN GET BACK TO ME.......

[oliveoil]

Originally Posted by cheng

so what does this mean? "someone who shorted agi from the top" are you affiliated with the insurance side of this?

Your condescending comments about my catching up would carry an iota of validity if you explained your position or background. Right now you are just another mouth regurgitating pdf files on the web.

I only call my mom. Mrs. Ma'am.

to answer your question...........

"someone who shorted agi from the top" means i shorted this stock months ago....as opposed to going long. Wish i did not buy it back....turns out it was way to early. But made the right move and call.
Writing the shit out of the bull/bear butterfly call option spreads as of thursday.

Hows your portfolio doing? Shorting anything on the market? It's getting tougher to call lately.

[c.captain]

Mrs. Oil...let me say that as a semi-pro ranter in this forum, that I am impressed with the passion you display towards this matter. You shine a bright light on a major issue in today's maritime industry which has escaped public scrutiny for too many years.

I could write an essay or two on what I think of most pilotage associations in the US but I can see that what I would write would have already been said here. I do wish to say though that I am in 100% agreement that the time has come for each and every pilots association in the US to become truly transparent and end the days to the secret society mindset which has created John Cota and many others like him.

All private pilotage associations with their inherent exclusive right to exist as competition free monopolies need to be terminated and their functions turned over to public entities as per the model of the Los Angeles Harbor Pilots.