Cosco Busan Allision

**Captmad** · February 27th, 2009, 01:42 AM

Just came to my attention, the SF Bay Pilot aboard the Cosco Busan when it hit the Bay Bridge. Will be going to jail.

His pilot career is over but does he deserve jail time for soiling a couple birds?

**c.captain** · February 27th, 2009, 02:32 AM

If he had been at all humble and circumspect after the accident, he would deserve some mercy but his arrogance and hubris after it was more than clear that he was responsible makes him one I feel deserves a price to pay beyond a forced retirement (I am sure he will get his full pension as well).

How much time is he getting?

**john** · February 27th, 2009, 09:55 AM

I don't see this news anywhere online. Is this information public yet?

**john** · March 6th, 2009, 07:45 AM

I must say Mad.... you got this one right:

John Cota, Pilot Of The Cosco Busan, Pleads Guilty

**Captmad** · March 6th, 2009, 11:13 AM

So does John Cota deserve jail time for soiling some birds?

Some cohorts believe he deserves jail time. What do the gCaptain readers think?

**captjacksparrow** · March 6th, 2009, 05:20 PM

Whether or not he deserves to go to prison is debateable; there were numerous failings in this case as detailed in the NTSB report. But to say that this amounted to nothing more than "soiling some birds" is, at best, an enormous understatement, and I'm being kind. Everyone should read Uncharted Waters: Criminalizing the Cosco Busan Incident from the Maritime Executive. We're entering a new era with unknown consequences for all of us. Try to keep 'er between the buoys.....

**Captmad** · March 7th, 2009, 03:01 AM

Good point. Things will change.

Probably not for the better either.

**cajuntugster** · March 7th, 2009, 03:55 AM

I think some of the reason for such a severe sentence was that he did not disclose all of the medication he was taking when he renewed his license(s)

This open up a whole new can of worms for us, be honest and face non renewal? Or obfuscate and risk jail? A friend of mine just told me that if you have a BMI of 40 or more, you will need a medical waiver, a tankerman of his is the victim.

**oliveoil** · March 7th, 2009, 11:16 PM

A "GIVEN" PEOPLE: OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOW FULLY AWARE OF WHAT NOT TO EVER PUT PAST PILOT ASSOCIATIONS LEADERSHIP IN THE US OF A:
Published Drugs obtained by Petaluma pilot John Cota in the 60 days before the Nov. 7, 2007 Cosco Busan crash:

200 tablets of hydrocodone and acetaminophen, a painkiller, sold as Vicodin.
190 tablets of propoxyphene, a painkiller, sold as Darvon
120 tablets of diazepam, a painkiller, sold as Valium
50 tablets of pentazocine and naloxone, a painkiller, sold as Talwin
27 tablets of sumatriptan, which treat migraine headaches, sold as Imitrex
180 tablets of lorazepam, which treat anxiety, sold as Ativan
90 tablets of modafinil, which improves wakefulness in patients with sleep disorders, sold as Provigil
90 tablets of sertraline, an antidepressant, sold as Zoloft
100 tablets of diphenoxylate and atropine, which treat gastrointestinal problems, sold under many names
50 tablets of prochlorperazine, which treat nausea, vomiting, schizophrenia and anxiety, sold as Compazine

**oliveoil** · March 7th, 2009, 11:36 PM

HEY "AMERICAN PILOT ASSOCIATION" - WHAT CHANGES ARE YOU GOING TO INSTILL IN YOUR ORGANIZATIONS YOU OVERSEE ? ....OR ARE YOU STILL ASS DEEP IN INSURANCE LITIGATION WITH GREAT AMERICAN INSURANCE COMPANY FOR THEM NOT COVERING YOU DUE TO A "SEAWORTHYNESS ISSUE"....WHERE ONE OF YOUR ELITE LOST THEIR PILOT BOAT WITH DISCOVERY OF A DRUG USE ISSUE AS PER ARTICLE JUST PUBLISHED BELOW. YOUR REPS. MISLED THE NTSB PANEL ON 4/9/08 COSCO BUSAN HEARING......AND THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS ABOUT IT NOW...AWAITING YOUR NEXT DONATION AMOUNT AND TO WHO....... TYPE IN "GALTEX PILOT BOAT" OR "Boat operator killed in accident had lost license five years earlier due to drug test"

Some interesting observations the NTSB NOW HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF:
On 4/9/08 - NTSB PUBLIC WEBCAST INVESTIGATION:

Barnicle BOB of APA - You were under oath.
....and the legal council Rep. for APA.... when asked specifically by the panel if you are aware of a problem within the associations with drug abuse....your reply was "not significantly.....we had one small group who was kinda in-the-dark on the Federal Regulations" ( end quote). OBVIOUSLY THE ABOVE ARTICLE ( OBTAINED THROUGH FOIA ) CLEARLY SHOWS THIS ISSUE IS MORE THAN JUST " NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ". Hey - last time checked....any fraudulent insurance claim over 200k is a 1st DEGREE FELONY in the State Of Texas.
The boat was insured for 365k.

Remember the old Christmas song " Chesnuts Roasting on an open fire".... ? It is a fitting tune in this venue.

**oliveoil** · March 7th, 2009, 11:55 PM

**Cheng** · March 8th, 2009, 05:28 AM

Oilveoil.

What did the Pilots Association do to get on your bad side? You obviously have issues with their organization. I'm not picking a fight or attempting to defend anyone. I could give a rat's ass about them but, You made a post that you seem to feel strongly about and I want to know if you have an agenda and if so, what it is.

I have know some to be a little egotistic and self centered but I guess that comes with the territory. It's not like Work boat Captains are above the occasional tirade of self absorbency.

So... what gives? You get pushed out of the channel by an out bound deep draft back in the day, pass the pilots test and never got called?

There is always more to the story... Lets have it.

This is a redundant response to a redundant post, I apologize to those who have had to read this twice. I discovered olive's other post and made the same comments there, before I realized this is the main page for this topic.

**Cheng** · March 8th, 2009, 05:34 AM

There is nothing HUMBLE on how these arrogant people operate..... for it is refered to as "PILOTITIS"......a humble thinking that they are untouchable and walk on water....and can get away with anything they want to because of political clout and income level. But when insurance companies get involved - things will change....for they can not be bought....and they give a hell of a lot more to Senators and Congress than the idiots at large here do.

You will see change.....behind closed doors at a MINIMUM.....but it is at this time unavoidable.

Are you insinuating that we on gCaptain are the "idiots at large"?

In my last post I stated that I was not picking a fight but I could quickly change my tune and I don't think your "copy and paste" technique would serve you well...

**cajuntugster** · March 8th, 2009, 05:51 AM

You certainly do seem to have a burr under your saddle over this, whY?

**Cheng** · March 8th, 2009, 06:13 AM

I deduce that Mr. Oliveoil is affiliated with the insurance sector of our fine industry. IF? I correctly ascertained this: I would like to add that the insurance companies are a tad bit more a thorn in my side than the pilot association.

Until he tells, to me... he shall remain an insurance writing - screwing the common man for anything he can slip by in his "small print" borderline ethical, semi-legal bullshit

WOW, it looks like I have an agenda

**oliveoil** · March 8th, 2009, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cheng

There is nothing HUMBLE on how these arrogant people operate..... for it is refered to as "PILOTITIS"......a humble thinking that they are untouchable and walk on water....and can get away with anything they want to because of political clout and income level. But when insurance companies get involved - things will change....for they can not be bought....and they give a hell of a lot more to Senators and Congress than the idiots at large here do.

You will see change.....behind closed doors at a MINIMUM.....but it is at this time unavoidable.

Are you insinuating that we on gCaptain are the "idiots at large"?

In my last post I stated that I was not picking a fight but I could quickly change my tune and I don't think your "copy and paste" technique would serve you well...

misunderstanding Sir....no we are not the idiots at large....just some may be a little more in-tune to the poitics of this. But your catching up

............

**oliveoil** · March 8th, 2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Cheng

I deduce that Mr. Oliveoil is affiliated with the insurance sector of our fine industry. IF? I correctly ascertained this: I would like to add that the insurance companies are a tad bit more a thorn in my side than the pilot association.

Until he tells, to me... he shall remain an insurance writing - screwing the common man for anything he can slip by in his "small print" borderline ethical, semi-legal bullshit

WOW, it looks like I have an agenda

Its Mrs. Oliveoil to you sir......someone who shorted AGI from the top.....taking full advantage of "insurance fraud" aloud to go on in the US of A.

**oliveoil** · March 8th, 2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by oliveoil

misunderstanding Sir....no we are not the idiots at large....just some may be a little more in-tune to the poitics of this. But your catching up

............

sorry..."politics" mispelled.

**Captmad** · March 8th, 2009, 06:27 AM

Oliveoil- Your rant has been noted.

Granted things are obviously going to change but there was a lot more oil spilt on the Mississippi river not long after the Cosco Busan incident. Dont hear much about that incident. Is it because it happened in LA? Did that pilot face any charges? Equity?

Please advise.

**Cheng** · March 8th, 2009, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by oliveoil

Its Mrs. Oliveoil to you sir......someone who shorted AGI from the top.....taking full advantage of "insurance fraud" aloud to go on in the US of A.

So what does this mean? "someone who shorted AGI from the top" Are you affiliated with the insurance side of this?

Your condescending comments about my catching up would carry an iota of validity if you explained your position or background. Right now you are just another mouth regurgitating pdf files on the web.

I only call my Mom. Mrs. Ma'am.