Maritime Academies today are adding a new degree every year and have lost their roots. Academy graduates are coming to our industry with an ‘Unlimited License’ with as little as three month’s of sea-time. Let’s say on average (with the exception of Kings Point) maritime academies provide four months of sea-time on their school ships. (Parking lot watch does not count!!) 120 Days x 24 Hours = 2,880 hours. Of that at least 30% of their time is shoreside, so let’s say 2,000 hours of underway time. With a cadet load of 200 on the training ship, that is 10 Hours of Conning time per student. Seriously?? The problem is so bad that academies are putting simulators on the vessel so their students can get some time actual watchkeeping time. Perhaps I am exaggeration. Maybe they get 20 hours of time at the conn.
The STCW clearly states that a minimum of 365 days of sea-time is required 180 days of which are required to stand watch. The United States Maritime Academies seem to be exempt. Comments from USCG??
The Hawespipe. The Hawsepipe is the foundation of becoming a mariner, and some of the best mariners out there came up the ranks. However, today, there are no ordinary seaman left which means it is almost impossible to move up the ladder. In addition the officers are overwhelmed with paperwork and reduced manning to be a proper mentor. How do individuals moving up the Hawespipe today get the time at the Conn?
The Hawespiper also has to battle with the training, which everyone complains about. However… Did you know... The USCG interprets the STCW to the very Bare Minimum? Literally the United States requires a tiny fraction of the amount of training as our International Counterparts. In fact, the training requirements have been reduced in half by the United States Coast Guard. Why?
A common thread on gcaptain in regards to the area of training is to do the least for the least. Why not? Why learn the rules of the road, when you can memorize them? Someone with a good memory today, can ace the exam without understanding a thing. Just about every maritime graduates knows of people that knew exactly what was on the test before they even took it. A,C,D,D,B,B,C,C,B,A. Aced Nav Problems !!
Advanced Technologies, Reduced Manning, Increased Traffic, More Responsibilities – Is this the answer. Less sea-time, less training, more memorization?
Please, help me regain some faith. – comments?
It ain't just the academies who get away with the bare STCW minimum. How much STCW training and assessment is needed to go to Master 500 or 1600? How much time while holding an OICNW endorsement is needed? How much total time for Master 500 or 1600 NC? ( the answer to all is less than the minimum STCW requires)
Not all academy's and majors are created equal. Not to say i disagree with the bar being set low, but on the water experience varies. Any legitimate program requires at least 90 more days of experience on a commercial vessel in addition to the cruises.
Joe Stalin was an optimist compared to myself. I think young people don't want to get dirty to earn a living. A boy who swam on swim team with my daughter went my alma mata and couldn't put up with the regimental bullshit. He saw the Jacques Cousteau majors (marine biology with no hope of landing a job) with the big screen tv's in their rooms having a good time and he needed immediate gratification. He flunked out anyway. It is pervasive in society among young people. My 30 something neighbor wants what I have and I'm 54 and earned everything I OWN. He is one paycheck from financial disaster. It's everywhere not just in our industry.
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Capt. Nemo (February 1st, 2013)
So, with six month's of sea-time, I can take responsibility of a 'super tanker'?
These friggin Academy kids...nothing but a bunch of educated dumb asses if you ask me. They would rather be studying than standing watch, whine that they never have money - even though they work summer jobs and squander it all on books, off campus food and gasoline. They bitch about standing the midnight watch the day before finals. They even resent getting up before dawn to pass inspections. They get no sympathy.
The deckies have to be spoon fed as to what to do at a real helm because most their navigation is on a simulator. Back in the good old days, we got our helm experience with a couple thousand tons of steel under us while burning a barrel of bunker a mile.
Yeah, this younger generation....declining into the abyss -. They should be more like us, huh?
Oh my what short memories we have. I can remember, barely, when I started in this business the people that started with me. Most either couldn't cut it or decided another life was better for them. The academy or college grads were just as dumb then as they are now. The wipers were happy with their lot and didn't want to hawsepipe or they did so. Damn, if all the grads, OSs and Wipers loved this job and had the fortitude to move up do you think we'd be anything special? Do you think we'd be in demand? Nothing changes just the players.
nazeal (February 4th, 2013)
I did when i graduated, but whats the big deal? Good, wow, they have a license. But shame on a company or officer for letting them have any responsibility unless they have some experience and can prove they know what they are doing. Thats how it was for me when i came up, and haven't seen it change. Been personally sailing after an academy for a decade-ish and if i changed to a different type of vessel/operation even with "all that sea time" I wouldn't be left alone at first....Not until i've proven i know what i am doing. I don't know too many green 3rd mates being left to stand a watch the first day they report to a ship.
I'm not sure the OP got my sarcasm.
If not, I was about to show this washed up curmudgen what one of these youngies are capable of if you piss us off too much.
Here's a small taste of the pointy stick, 2013 cadet style:
Jolly Tar (February 1st, 2013)