Just a small word of advice from a fellow sinner Try not to provoke too many battles in the forum...most of the posters are not unlimited tonnage mariners and do not know of what you and I might speak but rather just love to take potshots at others since it must make them feel important or something. I have made all the same mistakes and had to fight back to not end up being labelled by the masses so try to voice clear coherent posts only sticking to the facts and if someone tries to bait you, don't bite! Ok, I've said what I need to say...keep up with your efforts to make the crimes committed by these associations visible to the public. Thanks and good luck regards Mike