Master 1600 oceans w/towing to 3rd mate any gross tons (AGT) ( Mr. Cavo please)

[Boatahaulic]

I've read 46CFR 11.407 and viewed Figure 11.403 and it is still not clear to me. I have a Master 1600 Oceans w/towing and have been sailing as Chief Mate on tugs with that License for about 8 years. To get the 3rd unlimited do I need to sail as Master for 1 year under my current License or just a OICNW for 1 year. Alot of it doesn't make sence to me considering a 2nd Mate AGT has to exam to get a 1600 ton Master. I thought a 1600 Master was equilivent to a 2nd Mate AGT, confused?????

[anchorman]

I've read 46CFR 11.407 and viewed Figure 11.403 and it is still not clear to me. I have a Master 1600 Oceans w/towing and have been sailing as Chief Mate on tugs with that License for about 8 years. To get the 3rd unlimited do I need to sail as Master for 1 year under my current License or just a OICNW for 1 year. Alot of it doesn't make sence to me considering a 2nd Mate AGT has to exam to get a 1600 ton Master. I thought a 1600 Master was equilivent to a 2nd Mate AGT, confused?????

You do not have OICNW on your STCW. The Coast Guard may require the courses, but they have allowed an upgrade without them. You will have to sit for the 3rd Exam regardless. Personally, I would wait for the rules to change in the near future. You will be able to go straight to Chief Mate after an exam and management level courses. Look at the checklist on NMC website....that is the best source of information.

[Boatahaulic]

anchorman, I have A-II/2 which is Masters and chief mates on ships off 500grt+. Also II/4, IV/2, V/1, VI/2, VI/4, VI/3, VI/5. Thanks for the heads up I'll check out the checklist. I think that would be a better plan to wait and go to CM directly.

[jdcavo]

You would need either one year as Master on vessels over 200 GRT while holding your Master 1600 GRT license, or have a total of 3 years experience on deck (licensed or unlicensed). In either case, all of the time has to be on vessels ovewr 200 GRT, and for the second option (3 years total)

You have to take the complete exam for 3rd Mate. There is a lot of stuff on that exam that wasn't on any exam you took to date (assuming you have not taken MATE 500/1600 after 2/1/02).

There isn't an equivalency per se from Master 1600 to 2nd Mate. The reason for the traditional crossover from 2nd Mate to Master 1600 is that the total service needed for each is 4 years (3 years to 3rd, and one more to 2nd/4 years total for Master 1600, with one as mate), and the tonnage requirements are more restrictive for an unlimited license. So anyone who got 3rd Mate via the hawsepipe and then 2nd Mate is going to have the sea time needed for Master 1600. The limited exam from 2nd Mate to Master 1600 recognizes there's only a small amount of stuff on the Master 1600 exam that wasn't on the 3rd Mate/2nd Mate exam(s). Thus it'sd not really an equivalency, it's just recognition of the common service and exam requirements.

[Boatahaulic]

Mr. Cavo, thanks for the come back! I recieved my Master 1600 oceans w/ towing in 2003, how does that change the exam part for 3rd. When I took the exam, they made me take everything including flashing light. The exam was a week long, morning and afternoon.

[Steamer]

The exam was a week long, morning and afternoon.

No, that is just how long it took you to finish the exam ...

[Boatahaulic]

Steamer, HAHA Good comeback however I'm not an engineer!

[jdcavo]

Mr. Cavo, thanks for the come back! I recieved my Master 1600 oceans w/ towing in 2003, how does that change the exam part for 3rd. When I took the exam, they made me take everything including flashing light. The exam was a week long, morning and afternoon.

Generally, 46 CFR 11.901 and 11.903 require a full exam for every raise in grade or increase in scope. But there are some specific exceptions, among them is 46 CFR 11.412(b) which specifically allows the partial exam for an unlimited 2nd Mate or Chief Mate going for Master 1600. There is no similar provision for the Master 1600 going for 3rd Mate, thus they must take the full exam.

[Boatahaulic]

Thanks Mr. Cavo, the only reply that comes to mind is YUK! More money and time!

[Capt_Red_Beard]

Mr. Cavo I have a similar issue with a twist to it.

I currently hold a 1600 GRT (3000) ITC Master Oceans, 6000 ITC Master Ocean (OSV) and Master Towing Oceans (6th Issue) OICNW STCW II/2

I currently have an application for a Third Mate Unlimited and just got a letter from NMC stating that I have to complete all of the assessments as per Policy letter 01-02 from 2002.

After reviewing the assessments it seems that all of my qualifications for STCW II/2 supersedes everything that their asking for the Third Mate Unlimited assessments. Also I have well over one year sea service time as Master on a vessel over 3000 ITC I would think that should count for something in addendum to all of the assessments I hade to complete to get the 6000 ITC Master Oceans OSV

I sure would appreciate any advice that you could provide.

Thanks,
Steve

[Capt Brian]

Mr. Cavo I have a similar issue with a twist to it.

I currently have an application for a Third Mate Unlimited and just got a letter from NMC stating that I have to complete all of the assessments as per Policy letter 01-02 from 2002.

Steve - All the NMC is requiring of you is the assessments, then you are doing pretty good. Do the assessments and don't look the "gift horse" in the mouth. Many have tried and end up having to "fight" not to do all the required STCW classes for OICNW. Yes, you have done almost all the tasks outlined in the assessments. No big deal doing them, right?

Brian

[Azimuth]

Mr. Cavo I have a similar issue with a twist to it.

I currently hold a 1600 GRT (3000) ITC Master Oceans, 6000 ITC Master Ocean (OSV) and Master Towing Oceans (6th Issue) OICNW STCW II/2

I currently have an application for a Third Mate Unlimited and just got a letter from NMC stating that I have to complete all of the assessments as per Policy letter 01-02 from 2002.

After reviewing the assessments it seems that all of my qualifications for STCW II/2 supersedes everything that their asking for the Third Mate Unlimited assessments. Also I have well over one year sea service time as Master on a vessel over 3000 ITC I would think that should count for something in addendum to all of the assessments I hade to complete to get the 6000 ITC Master Oceans OSV

I sure would appreciate any advice that you could provide.

Thanks,
Steve

Do what Capt Brian says! Typically, if you do not have STCW II/1 you have to take all the operational level classes as well. Good luck

[Capt_Red_Beard]

Yep its time for this old Oil Field Sea Dog to get busy or I can just wait awhile to see the out come of the new STCW requirements; it would suck to everything twice.

Thanks y’all for your input

[Cgaptain]

I took a course called "BRM-refresher" (the class title was a misnomer); however, that class satisfied all assesments for the third mate oicnw. My evaluator turned me on to the class in san diego as an alternative to doing all the assesments. it is alot of paperwork, but imo it doesnt cost anything to do the assesments if you have an officer to sign them. It is harder when you are running master to find a license bigger than yours onboard. IF you do the assesments, dont forget part 2 and 3 of 01-02, and the forgotten assesment in 16-02. good luck

Last time i checked the school in san diego has closed. I was there 6 years ago. gl

[Capt_Red_Beard]

Thanks Greenhorn for the info. I have a 2nd Mate Unlimited working with me that is willing to help me out.