Six on, six off "As close to slavery as we have..."

**Steamer** · September 9th, 2009, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by tengineer

Mates and asst. engineers would be a start.
Tengineer

Mates and engineers are not a way to address fatigue, they are the victims of the system that allows it.

The statement was made that "there are other ways to address the fatigue problem." I am still waiting to read what those "ways" might be.

**anchorman** · September 9th, 2009, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Steamer

Mates and engineers are not a way to address fatigue, they are the victims of the system that allows it.

The statement was made that "there are other ways to address the fatigue problem." I am still waiting to read what those "ways" might be.

Egyptian cotton sheets, goose down pillows, and sleep. 7-8 hours of that and a decent breakfast is all anyone needs.

**Capt. Fran** · September 9th, 2009, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by anchorman

Egyptian cotton sheets, goose down pillows, and sleep. 7-8 hours of that and a decent breakfast is all anyone needs.

Don't forget the memory foam...

**Steamer** · September 9th, 2009, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by anchorman

and sleep. 7-8 hours of that

Then it's not 6 and 6 is it?

Am still waiting to hear about those "other ways" to remedy a sleep deficit and the risk it creates.

**anchorman** · September 9th, 2009, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Steamer

Then it's not 6 and 6 is it?

Am still waiting to hear about those "other ways" to remedy a sleep deficit and the risk it creates.

Of course it's not 6 and 6 - that would be the same way and the proven killer that tengineer alluded to. I thought you were looking for "other ways"

**Steamer** · September 9th, 2009, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by anchorman

Of course it's not 6 and 6 - that would be the same way and the proven killer that tengineer alluded to. I thought you were looking for "other ways"

Please go back and read post #13. That post stated that 6 and 6 is bad, but there are "other ways' to deal with the fatigue created by that system.

The poster implies that he has knowledge of "other ways" to counter the sleep deficit and the dangerous fatigue created by standing 6 and 6 watches so I would like him to tell us just what those "other ways" are. I am sure there are many sleep researchers and safety managers who would love to know as well.

**seadawg** · September 9th, 2009, 10:42 AM

what ever came out of the data and conclusions from the USCG CEM study??

also have read favorable opinions for "8on/8off"..don't know how that would interact with circadian rhythms??

**Steamer** · September 9th, 2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by seadawg

what ever came out of the data and conclusions from the USCG CEM study??

I suspect that like every fatigue study performed since the Second World War, the conclusions did not fit with industry desires and they were quietly shelved until the next fatigue related disaster.

Until a ship with a sleeping watchstander rams a senator's beachhouse or an aircraft with a fatigue numbed pilot crashes into a congress critter's home, nothing will change. It hasn't in the 65 years or so they have been "studying" the problem.