Comments on: Collision Avoidance Tip – Call his boss! http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37 Wed, 08 Feb 2012 23:08:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: m scease http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-20382 m scease Sat, 30 May 2009 05:21:57 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-20382 Fine picture of a Bob Hope class, make way I'm coming through. Personally, I like the previous posters comment. Better to make room gracefully, than an issue. Don't know about the anchored drill rig ship issues, but they would seem to be in the same lighthouse catagory as one of the gcapt' earlier posts exemplified. Fine picture of a Bob Hope class, make way I'm coming through. Personally, I like the previous posters comment. Better to make room gracefully, than an issue. Don't know about the anchored drill rig ship issues, but they would seem to be in the same lighthouse catagory as one of the gcapt' earlier posts exemplified.

]]> By: m scease http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-21904 m scease Sat, 30 May 2009 05:21:00 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-21904 Fine picture of a Bob Hope class, make way I'm coming through. Personally, I like the previous posters comment. Better to make room gracefully, than an issue. Don't know about the anchored drill rig ship issues, but they would seem to be in the same lighthouse catagory as one of the gcapt' earlier posts exemplified. Fine picture of a Bob Hope class, make way I'm coming through. Personally, I like the previous posters comment. Better to make room gracefully, than an issue. Don't know about the anchored drill rig ship issues, but they would seem to be in the same lighthouse catagory as one of the gcapt' earlier posts exemplified.

]]> By: cetaceous http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-20369 cetaceous Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:55 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-20369 I have had this happen a few times and managed to get in contact with the other (FOC, third-world) vessel and found the officer and later the capt unwilling to comply with the COLREGS. Their arguments are either that I am the more maneuverable vessel (RO-PAX) or that the alteration that I have to make to avoid collision is smaller than the alteration they would have to make. When I've insisted that they comply with the COLREGS they get quite angry and tend to stand on. In cases where I have had the sea room I've had to do a round-turn to stbd when range was about 2 to 3 miles,other times I've reduced speed to increase the CPA. Each time I've have had the master come to the bridge and observe my actions to make sure I'm in the clear. The first time this happened to me we used the MER to play back the incident to the local port-state authorities in the hope that they would reprimand the other vessel at their next port of call, instead my competence and that of my capt was questioned because of my use of VHF in collision avoidance. So now I tend to play along with these recalcitrant, incompetent officers and avoid the situation long before it becomes and issue and alter course, albeit relatively subtly, at 15 to 20nm and avoid contacting them at all. I'm not happy about it in the slightest but I feel that I now have more responsibility with PAX on board and can't go trying to make a point by escalating the situation as I may have done in the past on a bulk carrier. I have had this happen a few times and managed to get in contact with the other (FOC, third-world) vessel and found the officer and later the capt unwilling to comply with the COLREGS. Their arguments are either that I am the more maneuverable vessel (RO-PAX) or that the alteration that I have to make to avoid collision is smaller than the alteration they would have to make. When I've insisted that they comply with the COLREGS they get quite angry and tend to stand on. In cases where I have had the sea room I've had to do a round-turn to stbd when range was about 2 to 3 miles,other times I've reduced speed to increase the CPA. Each time I've have had the master come to the bridge and observe my actions to make sure I'm in the clear.
The first time this happened to me we used the MER to play back the incident to the local port-state authorities in the hope that they would reprimand the other vessel at their next port of call, instead my competence and that of my capt was questioned because of my use of VHF in collision avoidance. So now I tend to play along with these recalcitrant, incompetent officers and avoid the situation long before it becomes and issue and alter course, albeit relatively subtly, at 15 to 20nm and avoid contacting them at all. I'm not happy about it in the slightest but I feel that I now have more responsibility with PAX on board and can't go trying to make a point by escalating the situation as I may have done in the past on a bulk carrier.

]]> By: cetaceous http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-21903 cetaceous Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:00 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-21903 I have had this happen a few times and managed to get in contact with the other (FOC, third-world) vessel and found the officer and later the capt unwilling to comply with the COLREGS. Their arguments are either that I am the more maneuverable vessel (RO-PAX) or that the alteration that I have to make to avoid collision is smaller than the alteration they would have to make. When I've insisted that they comply with the COLREGS they get quite angry and tend to stand on. In cases where I have had the sea room I've had to do a round-turn to stbd when range was about 2 to 3 miles,other times I've reduced speed to increase the CPA. Each time I've have had the master come to the bridge and observe my actions to make sure I'm in the clear. The first time this happened to me we used the MER to play back the incident to the local port-state authorities in the hope that they would reprimand the other vessel at their next port of call, instead my competence and that of my capt was questioned because of my use of VHF in collision avoidance. So now I tend to play along with these recalcitrant, incompetent officers and avoid the situation long before it becomes and issue and alter course, albeit relatively subtly, at 15 to 20nm and avoid contacting them at all. I'm not happy about it in the slightest but I feel that I now have more responsibility with PAX on board and can't go trying to make a point by escalating the situation as I may have done in the past on a bulk carrier. I have had this happen a few times and managed to get in contact with the other (FOC, third-world) vessel and found the officer and later the capt unwilling to comply with the COLREGS. Their arguments are either that I am the more maneuverable vessel (RO-PAX) or that the alteration that I have to make to avoid collision is smaller than the alteration they would have to make. When I've insisted that they comply with the COLREGS they get quite angry and tend to stand on. In cases where I have had the sea room I've had to do a round-turn to stbd when range was about 2 to 3 miles,other times I've reduced speed to increase the CPA. Each time I've have had the master come to the bridge and observe my actions to make sure I'm in the clear.
The first time this happened to me we used the MER to play back the incident to the local port-state authorities in the hope that they would reprimand the other vessel at their next port of call, instead my competence and that of my capt was questioned because of my use of VHF in collision avoidance. So now I tend to play along with these recalcitrant, incompetent officers and avoid the situation long before it becomes and issue and alter course, albeit relatively subtly, at 15 to 20nm and avoid contacting them at all. I'm not happy about it in the slightest but I feel that I now have more responsibility with PAX on board and can't go trying to make a point by escalating the situation as I may have done in the past on a bulk carrier.

]]> By: Anshuman Naik http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-13486 Anshuman Naik Mon, 04 Feb 2008 06:17:36 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-13486 PS - The use of the vhf for collision avoidance is always controversial because of the foll. issues -<br> <br>a) Loss of time (conveying your info to the other vessel and discussion) wen someone should be taking action<br><br>b) Communication issues (all navigators do not have English as a mother tongue, different accents .... a London cockney may not understand an American... ditto vice versa)<br><br>c) Loss of situational awareness because of (1) ... can you monitor the ARPA when o the vhf?<br><br>d) a possibility that someone may do things different from the ROR<br><br>I agree ... for RAM Drill ships this may be an option, but not for regular merchant vessels .. .imagine being in Taiwan straits with collision situations continuously developing every few minutes - daily scenario. PS – The use of the vhf for collision avoidance is always controversial because of the foll. issues -

a) Loss of time (conveying your info to the other vessel and discussion) wen someone should be taking action

b) Communication issues (all navigators do not have English as a mother tongue, different accents …. a London cockney may not understand an American… ditto vice versa)

c) Loss of situational awareness because of (1) … can you monitor the ARPA when o the vhf?

d) a possibility that someone may do things different from the ROR

I agree … for RAM Drill ships this may be an option, but not for regular merchant vessels .. .imagine being in Taiwan straits with collision situations continuously developing every few minutes – daily scenario.

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]]> By: CaptStash http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-5794 CaptStash Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:00:26 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-5794 Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But also, I have to say that by the time you fooled around and made the phone call you would likely be in extremis. Often, other ships don't respond if they are a ways away yet. I dont't know why, they just don't. I try to teaach my mates common sense. Mid ocean, it's often safer and easier to make a small course correction when it becomes clear that the other ship is not doing what is supposed to. And most importantly -- Never, ever turn left! (Leave that one to the captain, and let me tell you, I sure haven't done it very many times). Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But also, I have to say that by the time you fooled around and made the phone call you would likely be in extremis. Often, other ships don’t respond if they are a ways away yet. I dont’t know why, they just don’t.

I try to teaach my mates common sense. Mid ocean, it’s often safer and easier to make a small course correction when it becomes clear that the other ship is not doing what is supposed to.

And most importantly — Never, ever turn left! (Leave that one to the captain, and let me tell you, I sure haven’t done it very many times).

]]> By: CaptStash http://gcaptain.com/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/?37#comment-21694 CaptStash Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:00:00 +0000 http://gcaptain.com/maritime/blog/2007/05/11/collision-avoidance-tip-call-his-boss/#comment-21694 Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But also, I have to say that by the time you fooled around and made the phone call you would likely be in extremis. Often, other ships don't respond if they are a ways away yet. I dont't know why, they just don't. I try to teaach my mates common sense. Mid ocean, it's often safer and easier to make a small course correction when it becomes clear that the other ship is not doing what is supposed to. And most importantly -- Never, ever turn left! (Leave that one to the captain, and let me tell you, I sure haven't done it very many times). Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But also, I have to say that by the time you fooled around and made the phone call you would likely be in extremis. Often, other ships don’t respond if they are a ways away yet. I dont’t know why, they just don’t.

I try to teaach my mates common sense. Mid ocean, it’s often safer and easier to make a small course correction when it becomes clear that the other ship is not doing what is supposed to.

And most importantly — Never, ever turn left! (Leave that one to the captain, and let me tell you, I sure haven’t done it very many times).

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